Game Mechanics: The Official "Bards Are Broken" Compiled Bug List

[xblade724]

Will update regularly as people submit bard bugs here and as devs update us on the matters

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Red = Bugged/No response to issue/unconfirmed
Orange = Acknowledged/Pending Fix
Green = Resolved/as intended
Total Bug(s) or pending fixes, but not yet= 1
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1. Single target DD with knockback has no knockback (Boastful Bellow @ lvl 12)
Update (Pending Fix?): Update 2 - Rumors are FALSE. This is NOT fixed last patch.

Originally Posted by Uthgaard [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wait for Kanras' edit to knockback effects to go live before saying for certain.

<3 thank you
http://www.project1999.org/forums/sh...ad.php?t=56802
Lucy proof: http://lucy.allakhazam.com/spell.htm...04&setcookie=1

2. Selo's Speed buff does not remove root/snare as it should.
(Update - Not classic, but not going to change..)
PROOF:
PROOF:
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January 9, 2001 3:00 am
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It also allowed us to correct a long-standing bug that was
allowing bards to cancel root on themselves by playing Selo's
Accelerando if Selo's was in effect at the time that the bard was
rooted. "

There were COUNTLESS bugs (that many are now called "features") that were later added saying that this was meant to be fixed for a long time. Classic EQ had selos remove root!

Originally Posted by Null [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

this is intended

http://www.project1999.org/forums/sh...ad.php?t=50983

3. Bards require LoS at start and end while casters don't need LoS at end
(Updated - Working As Intended - misinformation [Classic])
[QUOTE=Null;494441]

I just tested this, bard song LoS and caster LoS work exactly the same. At the end of spell casting there is a soft LoS check that will reduce the range on the song/spell being cast by up to 75% (not 50% like I said earlier, my bad) based on your casting skill with the spell.
http://www.project1999.org/forums/sh...highlight=bard

4. Bard faction song does not work (I've been rigorously testing this .. before I go to cb, I'll sing this song on a kelethin npc to see if faction changes, go to cb, come back and see if faction should have changed from the song) because I want my smithing expenses lowered. Any bit helps.
Update: Fixed!
http://www.project1999.org/forums/sh...t=faction+song
Lucy: http://lucy.allakhazam.com/spell.htm...08&source=Test

5. Elemental rhythms and purifying rhythms do not stack
Update: Working as intended (classic)

Originally Posted by Uthgaard [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

To make an example of its reliability, I'll confirm this with the spdat.

Guardian Rhythms has AC in slot 1, Magic Resist in slot 2
Elemental Rhythms has Magic Resist in slot 1, Cold Resist in slot 2, Fire Resist in slot 3, AC in slot 4
Purifying Rhythms has Magic Resist in slot 1, Poison Resist in slot 2, Disease Resist in slot 3, AC in slot 4

Magic resist in slot 1 and AC in slot 4 would prevent Elemental and Purifying from stacking with each other, since the values and formulae are identical, they would overwrite each other if cast by the same bard, or bards of the same level.
Since Guardian Rhythms has AC in slot 1, and Magic resist in slot 2, it wouldn't conflict with either Elemental or Purifying Rhythms.

The spdat is a reliable source of information for those that know how to interpret its data.

6. Bard songs do not last through zones for the last few seconds, such as selos
Update: Working as intended/classic -- apparently this wasn't updated until Luclin(ish)
http://www.project1999.org/forums/sh...ad.php?t=53489

7. Bard AE mez not lasting as long as intended (I haven't tested this)
(Is this just pixie strike or also the lvl 15 mez?)
(Update - Pending Fix?)

Originally Posted by Null [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

definitely an issue.

8. Bard songs end when on the boat instead of continuing until zone (Unconfirmed)
(Updated - Bug simply a rumor

Originally Posted by Null [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you are singing a song and then get on a boat, the song will continue playing.

9. "Crission's Pixie Strike is lasting for about one second and then instantly breaks, allowing the person it's casted on to move around freely (not sure if they can still cast). I tried casting it on myself and I confirmed that this is how it currently functions. This has been a bug for a while I believe. (No, the person it's casted on is not dotted)" --Lazortag
(Update: : Fixed!)

Originally Posted by Uthgaard [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The level cap will need a source workaround, I'll get with Kanras or Null and see if it can get in for next patch. The early breaking is client related and will probably need Rogean to stick something into the DLL. Good idea on the new thread.

Originally Posted by Null [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

definitely an issue.

http://www.project1999.org/forums/sh...ad.php?t=57710

10. "The level cap for mesmerize (such as Pixie Strike) should only be 55 in PvE, not PvP (in PvP mezzes have no cap)" --Lazortag
(Update:: Fixed!)

Originally Posted by Uthgaard [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The level cap will need a source workaround, I'll get with Kanras or Null and see if it can get in for next patch. The early breaking is client related and will probably need Rogean to stick something into the DLL. Good idea on the new thread.

http://www.project1999.org/forums/sh...ad.php?t=57710

EDIT: What's up with the links truncating?

[Null]

2. this is intended

3. I just tested this, bard song LoS and caster LoS work exactly the same. At the end of spell casting there is a soft LoS check that will reduce the range on the song/spell being cast by up to 75% (not 50% like I said earlier, my bad) based on your casting skill with the spell.

7. definitely an issue. (its also the same as 9)

8. If you are singing a song and then get on a boat, the song will continue playing.

[xblade724]

Thanks for clarifications --

For the selos, I could have sworn it used to break roots. Where is the source for this? Even if it was a bug patched, it was still classic .. there are COUNTLESS bugs that were never changed with the argument that it was classic.

[Null]

Originally Posted by xblade724 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Thanks for clarifications --

For the selos, I could have sworn it used to break roots. Where is the source for this? Even if it was a bug patched, it was still classic .. there are COUNTLESS bugs that were never changed with the argument that it was classic.

Confirmed intended not classic possibility.

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Originally Posted by Null [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Confirmed intended not classic possibility.

So if there's a note that said "We meant to add this a long time ago" or "we intended to add this before kunark", you will add it to the game/change the mechanics if I can provide the patch notes? Changing selos based on what was supposed to be intended for classic and what actually WAS classic can change this game entirely based on what you say for this. Why is ice comet in game via the easy quest? What about mage sword procs? Aren't these more important to fix than a bard that can't do too much to begin with breaking a root :P

[Null]

No, I am saying its not classic and its intended to be that way.

[mourning]

Null is our hero.

[Null]

Originally Posted by mourning [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Null is our hero.

It's what I do.

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"------------------------------
January 9, 2001 3:00 am
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It also allowed us to correct a long-standing bug that was
allowing bards to cancel root on themselves by playing Selo's
Accelerando if Selo's was in effect at the time that the bard was
rooted. "

There were COUNTLESS bugs (that many are now called "features") that were later added saying that this was meant to be fixed for a long time. Classic EQ had selos remove root, and this is the raw proof!

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January 26, 2005
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*** General Bug Fixes ***

The map window should now be available to all players.
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This was a bug, so please add it to the game as it was intended to be classic considering Selos was a bug and it was fixed outside of classic era