Myconid Spore King - Monk Solo [Archive] - Page 2

DeathsSilkyMist

07-02-2025, 03:58 PM

So then why the pattern around you? Why was I able to assemble 10 different posters, all (by your own words) attacking you so fast? And we both know the number is much, much higher than ten.

Is it that the forum has all ganged up on you without reason. Can yuo intellectually honestly say that the common denominator (ie. you) had no impact ... despite the fact that no other poster has your "everyone attacks me" problem?

Your fallacy of "everyone attacks poster X, therefore it must be correct" is the silliest nonsense I have ever seen.

Are you claiming that ganging up on someone is justified if enough people do it?

The people attacking me are the ones pressing their respective submit buttons. I did not force you to spam this thread and lie about me. Learn some self control before giving advice to others.

loramin

07-02-2025, 04:01 PM

Your fallacy of "everyone attacks poster X, therefore it must be correct" is the silliest nonsense I have ever seen.

Are you claiming that ganging up on someone is justified if enough people do it?

The people attacking me are the ones pressing their respective submit buttons. I did not force you to spam this thread and lie about me.

See, now you're being disengenuous again. You're not that dumb: you know that if someone gets their car stolen once it's not their fault ... but if that same person gets their car stolen twenty times, it's probably got something to do with them.

Same thing here. This forum is full of people disagreeing with each other. But all you have to do to shut me up is point out a single other individual, in this forum of disagreement, who feels they've been "attacked" as many times as you have (or even close).

shovelquest

07-02-2025, 04:03 PM

See, now you're being disengenuous again. You're not that dumb: you know that if someone gets their car stolen once it's not their fault ... but if that same person gets their car stolen twenty times, it's probably got something to do with them.

Same thing here. This forum is full of people disagreeing with each other. But all you have to do to shut me up is point out a single other individual, in this forum of disagreement, who feels they've been "attacked" as many times as you have (or even close).

You turn every thread about EQ items as a teachable moment about DSMs personality.

Why can't you just accept him for who he is?

DeathsSilkyMist

07-02-2025, 04:04 PM

See, now you're being disengenuous again. You're not that dumb: you know that if one person gets their car stolen once it's not their fault ... but if the same person gets their car stolen twenty times, it's probably got something to do with them.

Same thing here. This forum is full of people disagreeing with each other. But all you have to do to shut me up is point out a single other individual, in this forum of disagreement, who has been "attacked" as many times as you have (or even close).

Loramin... fallacies ARE disengenuous. I know you are not dumb enough to pretend that the ad populum fallacy has merit. It is a literal fallacy. Your imaginary metric of "most attacked poster" is just another version of the ad populum fallacy. You are the one being disengenuous here by using a fallacy as an argument.

Stealing a car is illegal. It is the fault of the car thief every time they steal your car.

shovelquest

07-02-2025, 04:04 PM

Are you claiming that ganging up on someone is justified if enough people do it?

Yes, as shocking as it was for me to read that, he was lol

loramin

07-02-2025, 04:06 PM

You turn every thread about EQ items as a teachable moment with a focus on DSMs personality.

Why can't you just accept him for who he is?

Because he's such a great poster when he's posting well, and such a terrible one when he's not.

DSM is not Ripzoko. He's not trying to troll people (until he gets into "fight mode" at least). He knows the game well (even though he often doubles down hard on the parts he doesn't know), he's smart, and he even makes community contributions (eg. his DPS calculator).

I truly think there's a good person behind that keyboard, and I just get so ****ing frustrated when he choses be disengenuous (to score points with the audience in the imaginary arena in his head) rather than just post like the decent person I suspect he is.

shovelquest

07-02-2025, 04:07 PM

Saruman had NINE+ wring wrathes.

Are you seriously trying to tell me that you don't think that he deserves the ring?

Samoht

07-02-2025, 04:09 PM

DeathsSilkyMist

07-02-2025, 04:09 PM

Because he's such a great poster when he's posting well, and such a terrible one when he's not.

DSM is not Ripzoko. He's not trying to troll people (until he gets into "fight mode" at least). He knows the game well (even though he often doubles down hard on the parts he doesn't know), he's smart, and he even makes community contributions (eg. his DPS calculator).

I truly think there's a good person behind that keyboard, and I just get so ****ing frustrated when he choses be disengenuous (to score points with the audience in the imaginary arena in his head) rather than just post like the decent person I suspect he is.

I get frustrated when posters flood the forums with lies when they cannot win a debate with facts and logic. It is disengenuous.

You should be frustrated too. You can also be a good poster when you aren't in this mode where you blame everybody else for your bad behavior.

loramin

07-02-2025, 04:09 PM

Loramin... fallacies ARE disengenuous. I know you are not dumb enough to pretend that the ad populum fallacy has merit. It is a literal fallacy. Your imaginary metric of "most attacked poster" is just another version of the ad populum fallacy. You are the one being disengenuous here by using a fallacy as an argument.

Stealing a car is illegal. It is the fault of the car thief every time they steal your car.

dis·in·gen·u·ous
/ˌdisənˈjenyəwəs/
adjective
not candid or sincere, typically by pretending that one knows less about something than one really does.

You can not tell me that if you heard someone got their car stolen twenty times, you would believe it's 100% twenty independent car thieves' fault. Again, I know you are smarter than that, and it's frustrating when you turn your brain off to argue.

Samoht

07-02-2025, 04:10 PM

Are there any fallacies where you pretend you're the victim but in reality you're the aggressor?

shovelquest

07-02-2025, 04:10 PM

You can not tell me that if you heard someone got their car stolen twenty times, you would believe it's 100% twenty independent car thieves' fault. Again, I know you are smarter than that.

I know you would blame me for parking my car in my own town, but I would argue it's what you've done to my town.

DeathsSilkyMist

07-02-2025, 04:11 PM

You can not tell me that if you heard someone got their car stolen twenty times, you would believe it's 100% twenty independent car thieves' fault. Again, I know you are smarter than that.

It is the fault of the car thief every time. Normal people do not look at an unlocked car with the keys in the ignition and decide to steal it. Only crazy people or people in extreme desperation do that.

loramin

07-02-2025, 04:12 PM

I would know for a fact it was the policies that (you) voted for and (I) voted against.

I'm assuming that's some sort of (D) vs. (R) comment? But again, you wouldn't/

Look, if everyone you know starts getting their car stolen, that's not their fault: it's a systemic issue (eg. a law politicians passed).

But if most people aren't getting their car stolen, and one person has their's taken twenty times, no one with any intellectual rigor would pretend those twenty have nothing to do with each other.

DeathsSilkyMist

07-02-2025, 04:13 PM

I'm assuming that's some sort of (D) vs. (R) comment? But again, you wouldn't/

Look, if everyone you know starts getting their car stolen, that's not their fault: it's a systemic issue (eg. a law politicians passed).

But if most people aren't getting their car stolen, and one person has their's taken twenty times, no one with any intellectual rigor would pretend those twenty have nothing to do with each other.

I will say it again:

It is the fault of the car thief every time. Normal people do not look at an unlocked car with the keys in the ignition and decide to steal it. Only crazy people or people in extreme desperation do that.

shovelquest

07-02-2025, 04:13 PM

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Samoht

07-02-2025, 04:13 PM

It is the fault of the car thief every time. Normal people do not look at an unlocked car with the keys in the ignition and decide to steal it. Only crazy people or people in extreme desparation do that.

This is incorrect. There's a reason Hyundais and Kias are uninsurable in some areas. There is responsibility of the owner to purchase a vehicle that has defense against theft and on the manufacturers to produce cars that aren't so easily stolen.

loramin

07-02-2025, 04:14 PM

It is the fault of the car thief every time. Normal people do not look at an unlocked car with the keys in the ignition and decide to steal it. Only crazy people or people in extreme desparation do that.

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/12/18/article-2525602-1A2B2A3600000578-553_634x408.jpg

See, this is why I say you're disengenuous: if you weren't trying to win this fight, you wouldn't try to argue that an outlier in the data isn't an outlier. You're letting your worst angels guide you to posting poorly.

Normal people don't get their car stolen twenty times: that's the entire point!

shovelquest

07-02-2025, 04:14 PM

My kid got bullied at school.

Loramin: Man fuck yo kid!

DeathsSilkyMist

07-02-2025, 04:15 PM

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See, this is why I say you're disengenuous: if you weren't trying to win this fight, you wouldn't try to argue that an outlier in the data isn't an outlier. You're letting your worst angels guide you to posting poorly.

I genuinely believe it is the fault of the car thief every time. I believe in personal responsibility and free will. I didn't force the car thief to take my car. They did it on their own accord.

You need to stop making up nonsense about what you think I am doing/saying, while ignoring my actual posts.

shovelquest

07-02-2025, 04:16 PM

This is incorrect. There's a reason Hyundais and Kias are uninsurable in some areas. There is responsibility of the owner to purchase a vehicle that has defense against theft and on the manufacturers to produce cars that aren't so easily stolen.

Is this what loramin wants? I don't think so.

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shovelquest

07-02-2025, 04:18 PM

Loramin, you partake in bullying and attacking DSM on the forums.

And then when he defends himself, you say "it must be your fault that people are bullyhing you"

So like, literally loramin, you are contributing to the car thefts.

And youre like, stop getting so defensive about your car, try parking it better.

lol

DeathsSilkyMist

07-02-2025, 04:19 PM

Loramin, you partake in bullying, and attacking people on the forums.

And then when someone defends themselves, you say "its your fault"

So like, literally loramin, you are contributing to the car thefts. You caused them.

DSM is saying, stop supporting car theives?

And youre like, stop getting so defensive about your car, try parking it better.

lol

Very well put! This is 100% correct.

loramin

07-02-2025, 04:19 PM

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C'mon man, don't join the disengenuous DSM train.

There can be MANY reasons why someone, or a group of them, decides to bully someone else. That could be jealousy, because the bullying target is smarter than them, has a better relationship with teachers/professors, as a way to vent out their own frustrations, to make themselves feel better etc. I had that situation in elementary school. I was the victim, though I don’t consider myself one - I think of myself as a fighter, as I haven’t given up.

Yes, that's true. But again, when everyone else doesnt get "mass bullied" (and I'm having to bite my tongue to even write that in the context of DSM), and one kid gets "bullied" everywhere they go ... not just to school and after school activities, but on the bus or even just walking down the street ... that's not normal bullying.

Something like that would only make sense if (say) the kid was flicking the earlobes of everyone he passed by. Now maybe the kid's only doing that because he's abused at home and needs some love: I'm not saying he's actually to blame in any kind of moral sense ... but he is clearly the common denominator responsible for the pattern.

Samoht

07-02-2025, 04:20 PM

Some call it bullying, some call it life lessons, some situations it's necessary.

shovelquest

07-02-2025, 04:21 PM

Using the word disingenuous earns you an instant "i am not reading 1 more word in that post" award.

DeathsSilkyMist

07-02-2025, 04:21 PM

C'mon man, don't join the disengenuous DSM train.

Shovelquest is 100% correct with this post. You just don't want to see it:

Loramin, you partake in bullying and attacking DSM on the forums.

And then when he defends himself, you say "it must be your fault that people are bullyhing you"

So like, literally loramin, you are contributing to the car thefts.

And youre like, stop getting so defensive about your car, try parking it better.

lol

WarpathEQ

07-02-2025, 04:21 PM

Someone get these people a private discord, imagine hijacking a thread and proceeding to communicate in it as if it was an instant messenger.

shovelquest

07-02-2025, 04:23 PM

Someone get these people a private discord, imagine hijacking a thread and proceeding to communicate in it as if it was an instant messenger.

https://i.imgur.com/Eob10ke.gif

DeathsSilkyMist

07-02-2025, 04:30 PM

Reposting OP's epic video where he kills Fungi King solo with his monk, no consumables:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wONdIYAofyQ

https://wiki.project1999.com/Solo_Artist_Challenge

It deserves the highest ranking of [S] when following the solo artist challenge wiki page.

Samoht

07-02-2025, 04:31 PM

Reposting OP's epic video where he kills Fungi King solo with his monk, no consumables:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wONdIYAofyQ

Unfortunately, raid buffed is not solo

DeathsSilkyMist

07-02-2025, 04:35 PM

Unfortunately, raid buffed is not solo

I agree with the caveat for melee classes on the wiki page:

https://wiki.project1999.com/Solo_Artist_Challenge

melee can get as many buffs as they like as they are already at a considerable disadvantage.

As someone who has also accomplished multiple solo artist challenges with video evidence, I don't see a problem with this caveat. Great job OP! This video is great:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wONdIYAofyQ

shovelquest

07-02-2025, 04:38 PM

Unfortunately, raid buffed is not solo

OP. Get your ass back to seb and try 1 more.

Samoht

07-02-2025, 04:38 PM

I agree with the caveat for melee classes on the wiki page:

https://wiki.project1999.com/Solo_Artist_Challenge

That's not a very good source considering it was written by someone with a track record of making disingenuous arguments to favor themselves. His main is an iksar monk.

DeathsSilkyMist

07-02-2025, 04:41 PM

That's not a very good source considering it was written by someone with a track record of making disingenuous arguments to favor themselves. His main is an iksar monk.

Feel free to post your own solo artist challenge rules and videos proving the rules are viable. Then you can show us all how it's done! I don't really care about your opinion on the author. You can dislike an author but agree with their written work. There is no conflict there.

Reposting OP's epic video where he kills Fungi King solo with his monk, no consumables:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wONdIYAofyQ

https://wiki.project1999.com/Solo_Artist_Challenge

It deserves the highest ranking of [S] when following the solo artist challenge wiki page.

shovelquest

07-02-2025, 04:42 PM

Im about to finally get a wiki account and rip that page to pieces with a bunch of fake information.

Samoht

07-02-2025, 04:43 PM

Feel free to post your own solo artist challenge rules and videos. Then you can show us all how it's done! I don't really care about your opinion on the author. You can dislike an author but agree with their written work. There is no conflict there.

Didn't take you long to devolve into aggressive posting, did it? Please stop breaking the forum rules before someone decides to defend themselves against your bullying.

DeathsSilkyMist

07-02-2025, 04:44 PM

Samoht

07-02-2025, 04:46 PM

DeathsSilkyMist

07-02-2025, 04:49 PM

Page needs updated with a ranking for people who killed things alone but raid buffed (AKA not solo). It's not uncommon for clerics, shamans, and enchanters to contribute in ways other than DPS. I hope you're in favor of them getting credit for raid kills, too.

You simply need to read the page, a caveat already exists. No need for edits:

https://wiki.project1999.com/Solo_Artist_Challenge

melee can get as many buffs as they like as they are already at a considerable disadvantage.

Your opinion on the author is not relevant to the written work.

Feel free to post your own rules and videos proving the rules are viable.

Back on topic:

Reposting OP's epic video where he kills Fungi King solo with his monk, no consumables:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wONdIYAofyQ

https://wiki.project1999.com/Solo_Artist_Challenge

It deserves the highest ranking of [S] when following the solo artist challenge wiki page.

Samoht

07-02-2025, 04:51 PM

DeathsSilkyMist

07-02-2025, 04:55 PM

Yeah, I think we're observing here that DSM is just completely incapable of having a human conversation without getting aggressive. Anybody who disagrees with them cannot read or some other snide insult is thrown. Then he plays the victim. This guy is a loser through and through.

If you think attacking posters first with posts like this is "human communication":

Wish we could discourage you from posting, but you just can't take the hint.

I disagree.

Learn to respectfully disagree rather than post off-topic character attacks. If you don't want someone to defend themselves, don't attack them. Punching someone in the face and then whining when you get hit back is silly.

Back on topic:

Reposting OP's epic video where he kills Fungi King solo with his monk, no consumables:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wONdIYAofyQ

https://wiki.project1999.com/Solo_Artist_Challenge

It deserves the highest ranking of [S] when following the solo artist challenge wiki page.

Samoht

07-02-2025, 04:57 PM

DeathsSilkyMist

07-02-2025, 05:00 PM

Telling people that they can't read is not the same thing as respectfully disagreeing. It's being a douchebag. You're a douchebag. And it's okay that I said that because I'm defending myself against a douchebag.

If you think this is respectful:

Wish we could discourage you from posting, but you just can't take the hint.

I disagree. Fix yourself before trying to fix others. There will be zero defense posts when there are zero attack posts.

Back on topic:

Reposting OP's epic video where he kills Fungi King solo with his monk, no consumables:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wONdIYAofyQ

https://wiki.project1999.com/Solo_Artist_Challenge

It deserves the highest ranking of [S] when following the solo artist challenge wiki page.

Samoht

07-02-2025, 05:00 PM

Hint: The solo artist challenge was written by an Iksar Monk. The blurb about melee's allowing to be raid buffed was so that he had a step up.

Maybe DSM is the one who can't read.

Samoht

07-02-2025, 05:02 PM

Fix yourself before trying to fix others. There will be zero defense posts when there are zero attack posts.

Has there ever been a bigger instance of the pot calling the kettle black on the P99 forums? Both my heads are surging with blood after reading this shit. Never seen hypocrisy on this level.

DeathsSilkyMist

07-02-2025, 05:05 PM

Maybe DSM is the one who can't read.

You can dislike the author while appreciating their written work. As a player who has a 60 Shaman and a 60 Shadowknight who has completed multiple solo artist challenges, I agree with the idea that melees can get outside buffs. OP could have used Wort Pots instead, which are also not considered to be major clickies in the solo artist challenge. OP would still get [S]. There is no point in the video where they took so much damage they needed an extra 1k+ max HP. I see no problem with OP wanting to save money on Worts by getting buffed instead.

Has there ever been a bigger instance of the pot calling the kettle black on the P99 forums? Both my heads are surging with blood after reading this shit. Never seen hypocrisy on this level.

You simply don't understand the difference between attack and defense. When attacks stop, so do the defenses. Stop attacking me, and I stop defending.

Back on topic:

Reposting OP's epic video where he kills Fungi King solo with his monk, no consumables:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wONdIYAofyQ

https://wiki.project1999.com/Solo_Artist_Challenge

It deserves the highest ranking of [S] when following the solo artist challenge wiki page.

Samoht

07-02-2025, 05:09 PM

Wiki has been updated with new rating for melees using raid buffs (https://wiki.project1999.com/Solo_Artist_Challenge)

OP now deserves a B

DeathsSilkyMist

07-02-2025, 05:11 PM

Wiki has been updated with new rating for melees using raid buffs (https://wiki.project1999.com/Solo_Artist_Challenge)

OP now deserves a B

You have lost the argument by editing the wiki in a childish attempt to be correct. Yikes.

Back on topic:

Reposting OP's epic video where he kills Fungi King solo with his monk, no consumables:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wONdIYAofyQ

https://wiki.project1999.com/Solo_Artist_Challenge

It deserves the highest ranking of [S] when following the solo artist challenge wiki page.

Samoht

07-02-2025, 05:13 PM

Zuranthium

07-02-2025, 05:16 PM

You still haven't shown any evidence that you have done any mob on the solo artist challenge list. OP and myself have shown video evidence.

LMAO, as if that's some kind of difficult thing. It's not at all.

You're clearly just perma butthurt that nobody cares about the paltry things you've done, so you feel the need to try and "protect" this thread, while projecting incorrect assumptions, as an extension of wanting to legitimatize yourself. You should stop interfering with discussions and work on your own insecurity. People are allowed to discuss to what degree something should count as "solo" or not. You are not the arbiter of anything.

The ignorance is from yourself, as you didn't seem to read the solo challenge artist page:

https://wiki.project1999.com/Solo_Artist_Challenge

That page does not determine how people play the game, stop repeating yourself and get this through your head. There are many who try to do these challenges (and just play the game in general) without consumables and outside buffs, FACT, and plenty of videos of it out there. Pathetic how you sit there and willfully choose to be ignorant, in order to never budge from your wrong opinion that has been proven wrong over and over, and then try to call someone else ignorant.

And no, it's not an "attack" to call you ignorant. That's simply the fact of what is happening here, seeing as people absolutely do play EQ with just self-buffs and no consumables. Nothing you say will ever change that.

FURTHERMORE, stop acting like you're some benevolent angel and everyone who ever argues with you is a bully. You constantly respond to posts in a goading, misrepresentative way because you don't actually want a conversation, you just want to spam the superficial thoughts in your head. For example, on the very first page of this thread I was talking about how instant cast consumables are bad game design. You took it upon yourself to respond with a bunch of nonsense that totally failed to understand the subject, and then later in the thread claimed I only write such things because I want to denigrate solo art challenges. Unacceptable.

I'm proud of what I was able to do, and I just wanted to share something cool here.

It's good you shared it, and I was glad you were able to do it without the consumables. Maybe try with just self-buffs at some point. You'll need to get the clicky breastplate heal for that (and probably a couple other equip upgrades? Not sure exactly what you have). Like I was trying to discuss earlier, it will probably require luck of landing the ensnare proc right away.

solo with self buffs only is not even remotely possible

It might be, someone can just run the numbers on the encounter. Everything in this game can already be determined if it will work or not, based on the DPS/mitigation your character is capable of over a certain period of time vs an NPC. If the math checks out, it will also give you an expected timeframe for how long you'll have to do the pull and land the snare, so you don't need to waste any further time on an attempt if the first part doesn't happen.

DeathsSilkyMist

07-02-2025, 05:17 PM

I did exactly what you told me to do! Of course there's no winning with you if you keep moving the goal posts.

According to the solo artists challenge, OP now gets a B for "Killed alone as a melee with raid buffs from other characters "

This is why I say people cannot read:

Feel free to post your own rules and videos proving the rules are viable.

Nowhere in this quote does it say to rage-edit the existing wiki and proclaim victory.

Start your own ruleset wiki page, and provide evidence that you can actually accomolish the challenges set forth by the rules.

Samoht

07-02-2025, 05:19 PM

It might be, someone can just run the numbers on the encounter.

ooooo

Do we know anybody with a working DPS calculator?!

DeathsSilkyMist

07-02-2025, 05:22 PM

It's good you shared it, and I was glad you were able to do it without the consumables.

You did the on-topic response! I appreciate it, I truly do. Next time I hope we can do this a few pages sooner.

Back on topic:

Reposting OP's epic video where he kills Fungi King solo with his monk, no consumables:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wONdIYAofyQ

https://wiki.project1999.com/Solo_Artist_Challenge

It deserves the highest ranking of [S] when following the solo artist challenge wiki page.

Samoht

07-02-2025, 05:22 PM

I was glad you were able to do it without the consumables.

Yeah, it moved him from a B- on the new scale to a B.

DeathsSilkyMist

07-02-2025, 05:27 PM

Yeah, it moved him from a B- on the new scale to a B.

Samoht has not edited the wiki in good faith. It will be reverted later when he cools down. Please do not vandalize the wiki because you are mad. It is not fair the the author of the wiki page. Feel free to make your own ruleset and provide evidence for it's validity.

Back on topic:

Reposting OP's epic video where he kills Fungi King solo with his monk, no consumables:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wONdIYAofyQ

https://wiki.project1999.com/Solo_Artist_Challenge

It deserves the highest ranking of [S] when following the solo artist challenge wiki page.

Samoht

07-02-2025, 05:29 PM

DeathsSilkyMist

07-02-2025, 05:30 PM

It's not nice to refer to other peoples contributions as vandalizing the wiki. Please remember that it is against the forum rules to attack other posters. I recommend that you stop attacking me before I'm forced to defend myself.

You can continue to feign ignorance if you wish. It doesn't help your position.

Back on topic:

Reposting OP's epic video where he kills Fungi King solo with his monk, no consumables:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wONdIYAofyQ

https://wiki.project1999.com/Solo_Artist_Challenge

It deserves the highest ranking of [S] when following the solo artist challenge wiki page.

Samoht

07-02-2025, 05:32 PM

You can continue to feign ignorance if you wish. It doesn't help your position.

At least I'm just feigning. You have no excuse.

DeathsSilkyMist

07-02-2025, 05:33 PM

At least I'm just feigning. You have no excuse.

The post history is clear. Other readers can decide who is correct. The odds aren't in your favor.

Back on topic:

Reposting OP's epic video where he kills Fungi King solo with his monk, no consumables:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wONdIYAofyQ

https://wiki.project1999.com/Solo_Artist_Challenge

It deserves the highest ranking of [S] when following the solo artist challenge wiki page.

Samoht

07-02-2025, 05:38 PM

The post history is clear. Other readers can decide who is correct. The odds aren't in your favor.

Did you miss the post from earlier where there was a aggregated list of users who would agree with me? Or how there are other posters in this very thread trying to explain the same thing to you, but you also only respond to them with escalation.

In other words, u r bad.

DeathsSilkyMist

07-02-2025, 05:48 PM

Did you miss the post from earlier where there was a aggregated list of users who would agree with me? Or how there are other posters in this very thread trying to explain the same thing to you, but you also only respond to them with escalation.

In other words, u r bad.

It's not a good look to hinge your argument on an ad populum fallacy, a lie about the post history, and the rage-edit of a wiki page. Anybody can edit the wiki to say "I am correct!". That doesn't make it true.

Back on topic:

Reposting OP's epic video where he kills Fungi King solo with his monk, no consumables:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wONdIYAofyQ

https://wiki.project1999.com/Solo_Artist_Challenge

It deserves the highest ranking of [S] when following the solo artist challenge wiki page.

Zuranthium

07-02-2025, 05:50 PM

Yeah, it moved him from a B- on the new scale to a B.

We don't need a new scale just for melee, they are already better for most things than a Cleric or Wizard, and class choice is inherent to soloing capability. But we do need a tier for no consumables and self-buff only.

I am going to add an S+ tier to accurately reflect that. You guys can stop the wiki edit war.

Samoht

07-02-2025, 05:50 PM

It's not a good look to hinge your argument on an ad populum fallacy, a lie about the post history, and the rage-edit of a wiki page.

You made two of these things up. The first one you probably had someone else use against you and now you misunderstand the difference between evidence and fallacy.

None of that excuses your behaviour.

DeathsSilkyMist

07-02-2025, 05:53 PM

You made two of these things up. The first one you probably had someone else use against you and now you misunderstand the difference between evidence and fallacy.

None of that excuses your behaviour.

People can read the thread and see the objective truth. Spamming the thread won't change the post history.

Back on topic:

Reposting OP's epic video where he kills Fungi King solo with his monk, no consumables:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wONdIYAofyQ

https://wiki.project1999.com/Solo_Artist_Challenge

It deserves the highest ranking of [S] when following the solo artist challenge wiki page.

Samoht

07-02-2025, 05:54 PM

Spamming the thread won't change the post history.

It's so funny for you to say that yet you keep trying.

DeathsSilkyMist

07-02-2025, 05:56 PM

It's so funny for you to say that yet you keep trying.

I am just defending myself from your attacks. You can stop attacking me at anytime. The post history will still show you attacked me first, spammed the thread, rage-edited the wiki, lied about my posts, etc.

Back on topic:

Reposting OP's epic video where he kills Fungi King solo with his monk, no consumables:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wONdIYAofyQ

https://wiki.project1999.com/Solo_Artist_Challenge

It deserves the highest ranking of [S] when following the solo artist challenge wiki page.

Samoht

07-02-2025, 05:57 PM

I am just defending myself from your attacks. You can stop at anytime. The post history will still show you attacked me first, spammed the thread, rage-edited the wiki, lied about my posts, etc.

I stopped attacking you. Then you started attacking me. Now I'm defending myself and you're breaking the forum rules.

DeathsSilkyMist

07-02-2025, 05:58 PM

Back on topic:

Reposting OP's epic video where he kills Fungi King solo with his monk, no consumables:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wONdIYAofyQ

https://wiki.project1999.com/Solo_Artist_Challenge

It deserves the highest ranking of [S] when following the solo artist challenge wiki page.

I am sure Samoht will spam the thread further. He can have the last word if he stops attacking me. He desparately wants it.

Samoht

07-02-2025, 05:58 PM

Zuranthium

07-02-2025, 06:08 PM

DSM has posted the exact same thing 10 times in a row, while ignoring and obfuscating all relevant discussion, and tries to talk about spamming. Unreal.

Need to get a grip, and stop trying to link/re-edit an outdated wiki page. The page literally says the rules should be updated as needed. They haven't been updated for over a decade.

The rules as listed didn't make sense to begin with, since using healing potions is the exact same thing as using a "strong item" complete heal.

DeathsSilkyMist

07-02-2025, 06:25 PM

Need to get a grip, and stop trying to link/re-edit an outdated wiki page. The page literally says the rules should be updated as needed. They haven't been updated for over a decade.

The rules as listed didn't make sense to begin with, since using healing potions is the exact same thing as using a "strong item" complete heal.

You keep forcing your opinion of the rules on OP, while accusing other people of doing that:

Yeah arbitrary, that's exactly your dialogue. You don't set the definitions of things, nor does that random wiki page.

You can't have it both ways.

There is nothing wrong with OP disagreeing with your opinion on the rules and following the solo artist challenge page as-is. Plenty of players already do this.

Feel free to make your own wiki page and post some videos of yourself doing those challenges if you think you can do better.

shovelquest

07-02-2025, 06:26 PM

Back on topic:

Reposting OP's epic video where he kills Fungi King solo with his monk, no consumables:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wONdIYAofyQ

https://wiki.project1999.com/Solo_Artist_Challenge

It deserves the highest ranking of [S] when following the solo artist challenge wiki page.

I am sure those that cannot do what is in the video will spam the thread further. He can have the last word if he stops attacking me. He desparately wants it.

Samoht

07-02-2025, 06:27 PM

Back on topic:

Reposting OP's epic video where he kills Fungi King solo with his monk, no consumables:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wONdIYAofyQ

https://wiki.project1999.com/Solo_Artist_Challenge

It deserves the highest ranking of [S] when following the solo artist challenge wiki page.

I am sure those that cannot do what is in the video will spam the thread further. He can have the last word if he stops attacking me. He desparately wants it.

shovelquest

07-02-2025, 06:27 PM

Back on topic:

Reposting OP's epic video where he kills Fungi King solo with his monk, no consumables:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wONdIYAofyQ

https://wiki.project1999.com/Solo_Artist_Challenge

It deserves the highest ranking of [S] when following the solo artist challenge wiki page.

I am sure those that cannot do what is in the video will spam the thread further. He can have the last word if he stops attacking me. He desparately wants it.

its SPA'AM

https://i.imgur.com/yblS8d2.png

Samoht

07-02-2025, 06:31 PM

Why did you edit? I wanted to be twins.

Zuranthium

07-02-2025, 06:33 PM

You keep forcing your opinion of the rules on OP.

It's not "my opinion", IT'S A FACTUAL WAY THE GAME IS PLAYED.

That wiki page was not "the rules". It was an incomplete page that literally said it would need to evolve. How many times do you need to be told?

What the OP was doing never even fit into "the rules" list on that page to begin with! There was never any category for "no consumables", which is what he wanted to do. You are such a moron.

shovelquest

07-02-2025, 06:34 PM

Why did you edit? I wanted to be twins.

Fixed.

DeathsSilkyMist

07-02-2025, 06:35 PM

It's not "my opinion", IT'S A FACTUAL WAY THE GAME IS PLAYED.

That wiki page was not "the rules". It was an incomplete page that literally said it would need to evolve. How many times do you need to be told?

What the OP was doing never even fit into "the rules" list on that page to begin with! There was never any category for "no consumables", which is what he wanted to do. You are such a moron.

This is still just your opinion on how solo challenges should be played. I'd like to see the evidence for why you think your opinions are facts.

The solo challenge page explicitly mentions clickies like shaman potions and reapers.

https://wiki.project1999.com/Solo_Artist_Challenge

[S] -> Soloed with self buffs only
[S-] -> Soloed but used strong item clickies

...

Strong item clickies include Puppet Strings, Donal's Chestplate of Mourning, Manastone, SoulFire, Reaper of the Dead, Wooly Spider Silk Net, etc., but not shaman potions or stuff like a Shrunken Goblin Skull Earring.

The implication of [S] is self buffs only, without strong item clickies.

Zuranthium

07-02-2025, 06:43 PM

This is still just your opinion on how solo challenges should be played.

There are many ways to play them. Hence the need for different categories. You seriously can't comprehend the most basic things being said.

shovelquest

07-02-2025, 06:45 PM

Hence the need for different categories.

[S] -> Soloed with self buffs only

[S-] -> Soloed but used strong item clickies

[S*] -> Soloed without pull (or invis pulled)

[S*-] -> Soloed without pull and used strong item clickies

[B] -> Killed alone as a melee with raid buffs from other characters

[B-] -> Killed alone as a melee with raid buffs from other characters and also used strong item clickies

[B*] -> Killed alone as a melee with raid buffs from other characters without pull (or invis pulled)

[B*-] -> Killed alone as a melee with raid buffs from other characters without pull and also used strong item clickies

[D] -> Duoed

[D-] -> Duoed but used strong item clickies

[D*] -> Duoed without pull (or invis pulled)

[D*-] -> Duoed without pull and used strong item clickies

[T] -> Trioed

Outside buffs are not permitted for casters; melee can no longer receive outside buffs since any disadvantages they previously had have gone away with Velious gear. Any kill, even the lowly S*-, will count towards a rank.

OP got an [S-]

I'm saying that because even though it says outside buffs are allowed for melee.. seems contradictory to say [S] is self buff only

DeathsSilkyMist

07-02-2025, 06:49 PM

There are many ways to play them. Hence the need for different categories. You seriously can't comprehend the most basic things being said.

What didn't I comprehend?

You made a claim that your opinion on solo challenges was a fact:

It's not "my opinion", IT'S A FACTUAL WAY THE GAME IS PLAYED.

Yet you have supplied zero evidence for this claim.

Then you made a factually incorrect claim about the solo artist challenge page:

What the OP was doing never even fit into "the rules" list on that page to begin with! There was never any category for "no consumables", which is what he wanted to do. You are such a moron

From the solo artist challenge page:

[S] -> Soloed with self buffs only
[S-] -> Soloed but used strong item clickies

...

Strong item clickies include Puppet Strings, Donal's Chestplate of Mourning, Manastone, SoulFire, Reaper of the Dead, Wooly Spider Silk Net, etc., but not shaman potions or stuff like a Shrunken Goblin Skull Earring.

The implication of [S] is self buffs only, without strong item clickies. What were are calling "consumables" were mentioned in the rules.

The solo artist challenge page also allowed melee to have outside buffs.

melee can get as many buffs as they like as they are already at a considerable disadvantage.

Samoht just removed that via his rage-edit today. OP would have been following the old page.

His video was 100% within the solo challenge artist rules as of a few hours ago, before the rage-edit.

shovelquest

07-02-2025, 06:51 PM

I think it does make sense to not say melee can use buffs unless someone else wants to go back and change [S] to (solo with self buffs only (caster) or outside buffs only as melee)

shovelquest

07-02-2025, 06:51 PM

SO.

Now that we got that all cleared up.

What's next?

Zuranthium

07-02-2025, 07:07 PM

The implication of [S] is self buffs only

And yet you spammed non-stop for the past hours: "this deserves the highest ranking of [S]", when he was using outside buffs the whole time, not just self buffs. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Apologize if you're mature enough, and then stop the nonsense.

Duik

07-02-2025, 07:07 PM

Holy fuck.

Sscalez did done good.
People have varying opinions on what a "solo kill" can entail.
I love a good troll. I also love a good pun, a play on words and a good jape. I reserve the right to insert them anywhere in my communications.

So, in short.

Yours says "Dude" his says "Sweet".

Doing the solo challenge first with strong clickie, then just pots then none mean Sscalez gets to tick off the 3 types of solo challenges for that mob? That in itself is an achievement.

[Edit bit] Regarding self buffs. I asked the chanter for buffs myself, ergo self buffed.

Posters both protecting and dissing him are just shitting it up. <me included ironically enough lolocaust!>

Zuranthium

07-02-2025, 07:11 PM

Doing the solo challenge first with strong clickie, then just pots, then none mean Sscalez gets to tick off the 3 types of solo challenges for that mob?

The page never had 3 tiers. Using no pots was never a tier, although it deserves to be, and I am working on editing the page to accurately reflect this.

DeathsSilkyMist

07-02-2025, 07:14 PM

And yet you spammed non-stop for the past hours: "this deserves the highest ranking of [S]", when he was using outside buffs the whole time, not just self buffs. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Apologize if you're mature enough, and then stop the nonsense.

Did you seriously not read the rules I just posted? Let me do it again:

https://wiki.project1999.com/Solo_Artist_Challenge

[S] -> Soloed with self buffs only
[S-] -> Soloed but used strong item clickies

...

Strong item clickies include Puppet Strings, Donal's Chestplate of Mourning, Manastone, SoulFire, Reaper of the Dead, Wooly Spider Silk Net, etc., but not shaman potions or stuff like a Shrunken Goblin Skull Earring.

melee can get as many buffs as they like as they are already at a considerable disadvantage.

OP's third attempt didn't use a Reaper, and outside buffs were allowed. That is [S]. It would still be [S] if he didn't use outside buffs and used Wort Pots (Shaman Potions) instead, because Shaman potions are excluded from the "Strong Item Clickie" category. This means Wort Pots don't penalize your solo challenge.

Can you admit you were wrong now? You can disagree with the ruleset, but you can't claim OP didn't follow the solo artist challenge rules as written at the time.

Zuranthium

07-02-2025, 07:24 PM

Can you admit you were wrong now?

I wasn't wrong about anything. Whereas you keep talking about an outdated wiki page that doesn't determine how people play the game and had an incomplete tier listing. All while spamming that he suddenly "achieved S tier" by using no potions, when that was never a thing in the outdated rules to begin with.

You simultaneously keep whining that people are supposedly downplaying his no potions kill, while acting like an outdated wiki page is the word of god, when that page itself literally downplays said accomplishment.

DeathsSilkyMist

07-02-2025, 07:30 PM

I wasn't wrong about anything.

Remember when you said this?

What the OP was doing never even fit into "the rules" list on that page to begin with! There was never any category for "no consumables", which is what he wanted to do. You are such a moron

You are wrong. OP's video was factually [S] using the rules defined in:

https://wiki.project1999.com/Solo_Artist_Challenge

[S] -> Soloed with self buffs only
[S-] -> Soloed but used strong item clickies

...

Strong item clickies include Puppet Strings, Donal's Chestplate of Mourning, Manastone, SoulFire, Reaper of the Dead, Wooly Spider Silk Net, etc., but not shaman potions or stuff like a Shrunken Goblin Skull Earring.

melee can get as many buffs as they like as they are already at a considerable disadvantage.

OP's third attempt didn't use a Reaper or Wort Pots, and outside buffs were allowed. That is [S]. It would still be [S] if he didn't use outside buffs and used Wort Pots (Shaman Potions) instead, because Shaman potions are excluded from the "Strong Item Clickie" category. This means Wort Pots don't penalize your solo challenge.

Can you admit you were wrong now? You can disagree with the ruleset, but you can't claim OP didn't follow the solo artist challenge rules as written at the time.

Back on topic:

Reposting OP's epic video where he kills Fungi King solo with his monk, no consumables:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wONdIYAofyQ

https://wiki.project1999.com/Solo_Artist_Challenge

It deserves the highest ranking of [S] when following the solo artist challenge wiki page.

Zuranthium

07-02-2025, 08:19 PM

OP's third attempt didn't use Wort Pots

That's completely irrelevant to the outdated rules that you keep stupidly shouting about, not to mention all the other bullshit throughout this thread. He had already achieved "S" tier on his second attempt, according to that dumb page, but he wanted to do better still. What do you not understand?

The rules are now updated to accurately reflect the types of solo kills possible. His first kill was S* by using the C-heal clicky, the second was S-, and he's now at S by using no consumables but having buffs from other characters. S+ will be achieved when no consumables and no outside buffs are used.

DeathsSilkyMist

07-02-2025, 08:27 PM

That's completely irrelevant to the outdated rules that you keep stupidly shouting about, not to mention all the other bullshit throughout this thread. He had already achieved "S" tier on his second attempt, according to that dumb page, but he wanted to do better still. What do you not understand?

The rules are now updated to accurately reflect the types of solo kills possible. His first kill was S* by using the C-heal clicky, the second was S-, and he's now at S by using no consumables but having buffs from other characters. S+ will be achieved when no consumables and no outside buffs are used.

Thank you for admitting you were wrong. You agree OP was [S] using the rules as written at the time, and you were wrong to claim otherwise.

I still find it amusing that you are the one forcing your rules on everybody (which you've been doing since page 1), to the point where you changed the existing wiki page people have been using for years instead of making your own ruleset. But I am supposedly the one pushing my rules on to others.

shovelquest

07-02-2025, 08:32 PM

I nominate DSM to be mayor of the p99 forums.

Reply to thread to vote "Yes".

Zuranthium

07-02-2025, 08:48 PM

Samoht

07-02-2025, 09:05 PM

Why do basic things need to keep being repeated to you.

He ignores things that don't fit his narrative, duh. I mean, have you made a DPS calculator? I didn't think so.

DeathsSilkyMist

07-02-2025, 10:13 PM

DSM, the wiki page is supposed to be edited to reflect the evolution of the challenge. It literally says that, multiple times. Why do basic things need to keep being repeated to you. There was a community desire to have a more reflective set of tiers, as shown by all the discussion and the OP of this thread who took the time to do the kill 3 different ways (and in fact if you look at forum posts from over a decade ago when this was being formulated and used, that was already the case. They just didn't create a wiki page).

The wiki page is still very incomplete BTW, there are a ton of Velious MOB's that can be added to the challenge tiers. Plus there are Trio and Full Group challenges possible. But I doubt anyone cares enough to put the work in to formulate all that.

Your basless attacks on me are silly as usual. It doesn't make me look bad, or you look good.

Pretending that yourself and Samoht are the "community" is silly as well.

I've taken the liberty of copying the solo challenge page into a new wiki page so you can edit your own rules to your heart's content. I reverted your changes on the existing page so people don't get confused. Have fun!

https://wiki.project1999.com/Zuranthium%27s_solo_artist_challenge

Back to the topic:

Reposting OP's epic video where he kills Fungi King solo with his monk, no consumables:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wONdIYAofyQ

https://wiki.project1999.com/Solo_Artist_Challenge

It deserves the highest ranking of [S] when following the solo artist challenge wiki page.

Zuranthium

07-02-2025, 10:36 PM

You don't make the rules idiot. The page was incorrect and did not properly reflect community sentiment and the factual way many play the game. You will not win this argument and your spamming is against the rules. Shape up.

shovelquest

07-02-2025, 10:39 PM

I was just messn around.

Im going back to OT.

DSM is 1110000% correct

Good luck with the cookie factory samhot. You guys sound like you're almost ready to agree and get back to production any day now.

:o

DeathsSilkyMist

07-02-2025, 10:40 PM

You don't make the rules idiot. The page was incorrect and did not properly reflect community sentiment and the factual way many play the game. You will not win this argument.

You don't get to make the rules either using your own logic. Now you have your own page. Make it better, get people to adopt your standard, and post videos showing everybody why you are the best player! I look forward to it.

Back to the topic.

Reposting OP's epic video where he kills Fungi King solo with his monk, no consumables:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wONdIYAofyQ

https://wiki.project1999.com/Solo_Artist_Challenge

It deserves the highest ranking of [S] when following the solo artist challenge wiki page.

Zuranthium

07-02-2025, 10:45 PM

You don't get to make the rules either using your own logic.

It's not my own logic. It's the factual tiers of playing the game that have been expressed by the community.

And don't try to create false articles in someone else's name, or you will be banned.

DeathsSilkyMist

07-02-2025, 10:48 PM

It's not my own logic. It's the factual tiers of playing the game that have been expressed by the community.

And don't try to create false articles in someone else's name, or you will be banned.

I disagree. You don't speak for the solo artist challenge community. The page is the same page with your edits. Not sure how that is a false article.

https://wiki.project1999.com/Zuranthium%27s_solo_artist_challenge

questever

07-02-2025, 10:50 PM

wtf is going on here

Zuranthium

07-02-2025, 10:52 PM

You don't speak for the solo artist challenge community.

I do more than you.

You've continued to ignore the facts of how the game is played and how solo success is measured by a variety of viewpoints, including by the poster of this very thread.

DeathsSilkyMist

07-02-2025, 10:57 PM

I do more than you.

You've continued to ignore the facts of how the game is played and how solo success is measured by a variety of viewpoints, including by the poster of this very thread.

You are lying about me again. Your opinion that you are a better speaker for the community is just that: An opinion.

People can watch OP's videos and my own videos. They can read your posts since you don't have any videos, and they can decide who is more credible.

Use your new page and show us how it's done!

https://wiki.project1999.com/Zuranthium%27s_solo_artist_challenge

Back to the topic.

Reposting OP's epic video where he kills Fungi King solo with his monk, no consumables:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wONdIYAofyQ

https://wiki.project1999.com/Solo_Artist_Challenge

It deserves the highest ranking of [S] when following the solo artist challenge wiki page.

Zuranthium

07-02-2025, 11:47 PM

Oh but I do have videos. Completing solo challenge with zero consumables and no outside buffs - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqNfDrTpG_Q. Can view several more on the channel, and plenty of other channels.

So there is one tier of solo challenge (the highest tier). 3 other tiers have been shown in this thread, the 3 different ways the OP killed Fungi King. And then in terms of doing something without any outside pull assistance, using Puppet Strings could also be considered another separate tier (the lowest tier).

Your opinion that you are a better speaker for the community is just that: An opinion.

Nope. It's a fact that the community has expressed, in this thread alone, a more complex range of opinions than had been reflected on the outdated wiki page, and a more complex range than your bury-head-in-the-sand way of thinking, where you continue to act like a flat earther or evolution denier, refusing to acknowledge proof and reasoning.

And it's a fact that the updated tiers are the exact different ways people have approached playing the game. These tiers are inarguably more reflective and accurate, which is the entire point of the wiki.

aaezil

07-02-2025, 11:48 PM

wtf is going on here

Idk but those two should def get a room

DeathsSilkyMist

07-03-2025, 12:00 AM

Oh but I do have videos. Completing solo challenge with zero consumables and no outside buffs - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqNfDrTpG_Q. Can view several more on the channel, and plenty of other channels.

I stand corrected! Looks like you can make videos. You should make videos for some of the claims you have made in the past, like the offhand swapping on your Ranger. You talk way more than you show, while claiming whatever you are talking about is easy.

Nope. It's a fact that the community has expressed, in this thread alone, a more complex range of opinions than had been reflected on the outdated wiki page, and a more complex range than your bury-head-in-the-sand way of thinking, where you continue to act like a flat earther or evolution denier, refusing to acknowledge proof and reasoning.

I disagree, and continuing to lie about me just makes you look bad. Yourself and Samoht is not the community. I am not sure why you are claiming OP agrees with you. I also disagree with your current approach to changing the wiki.

You don't seem to realize that there is a hall of fame for the solo challenge wiki page. One reason why it probably hasn't changed much over the years is out of respect for those players. Everyone's achievements are now incorrect because their rank does not reflect the challenge anymore.

Editing the wiki when you are trying to win a debate is kind of a jerk move for the hall of fame players. Stick to your own page and try to win people over to your side, instead of simply claiming everybody agrees with you, without evidence.

https://wiki.project1999.com/Zuranthium%27s_solo_artist_challenge

The wiki is big enough for both pages, there is no reason for you to be against having your own page.

Zuranthium

07-03-2025, 12:41 AM

I am not sure why you are claiming OP agrees with you.

They found it more valuable to complete a solo challenge without C-heal clicky and then without any consumables at all. They also argued that it's more special without Puppet Strings. That is the exact definition of tiers.

A great many people have expressed the same thing, and factually played the game in greater variety of ways than previously listed. You're literally the only person trying to say that a bad, outdated wiki page should never be updated. Stop trying to stupidly act like everyone should blindly agree with something ONE other person wrote over a decade ago, when even at that time people were saying the tiers weren't accurate enough, and when the initial post itself literally says the rules will need to be updated!

there is a hall of fame for the solo challenge wiki page. One reason why it probably hasn't changed much over the years is out of respect for those players. Everyone's achievements are now incorrect because their rank does not reflect the challenge anymore.

That page is very out of date and doesn't reflect tons of people who should be on it. The old ranks can be written on that old page, not that anyone cares. The ranks aren't even used for the majority there, only for a handful of individual kills, and the classes used aren't even listed in those instances.

Stick to your own page

Nobody has "their own page" in this matter. It's a community page, meant to reflect the way people play the game and what people find valuable. I am not interested in creating my own challenge page and I do not agree with the placing of many of the current listed MOBs. Stop trying to edit the wiki with wrong info.

DeathsSilkyMist

07-03-2025, 12:45 AM

Nobody has "their own page" in this matter. It's a community page, meant to reflect the way people play the game and what people find valuable. I am not interested in creating my own challenge page and I do not agree with the placing of many of the current listed MOBs. Stop trying to edit the wiki with wrong info.

Plenty of people have their own pages. Check the guides section. I have my own guide, the link is in my signature. Use your own guide instead of trying to force your changes on the community page that breaks the hall of fame page.

https://wiki.project1999.com/Zuranthium%27s_solo_artist_challenge

I never edited the wiki with wrong info. Seriously stop lying. I am just undoing edits by yourself and samoht that are done without thinking to win an argument. You aren't being respectful at all.

That page is very out of date and doesn't reflect tons of people who should be on it. The old ranks can be written on that old page, not that anyone cares. The ranks aren't even used for the majority there, only for a handful of individual kills, and the classes used aren't even listed in those instances.

Yikes.

Back on topic:

Reposting OP's epic video where he kills Fungi King solo with his monk, no consumables:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wONdIYAofyQ

https://wiki.project1999.com/Solo_Artist_Challenge

It deserves the highest ranking of [S] when following the solo artist challenge wiki page.

Zuranthium

07-03-2025, 01:48 AM

You aren't being respectful at all.

Indeed you aren't. Once again, NOBODY agrees with you that there are only two ways of playing EQ and doing challenges. Nor that a wiki page should be kept outdated. A wiki page that specifically says it needs to be updated, that the community already wanted updated over a decade ago.

Stop trying to alter a community page to something that does not reflect the community.

I never edited the wiki with wrong info.

Yes you did. You are trying to put my name on an article that does not reflect my opinions and attempting to say that others don't recognize the existence of more tiers. Both false.

DeathsSilkyMist

07-03-2025, 01:52 AM

Indeed you aren't. Once again, NOBODY agrees with you that there are only two ways of playing EQ and doing challenges. Nor that a wiki page should be kept outdated. A wiki page that specifically says it needs to be updated, that the community already wanted updated over a decade ago.

Stop trying to alter a community page to something that does not reflect the community.

You are just lying about my position again. I never said there are only two ways to play or do challenges. Nor did I say the wiki page can never be edited. You and Samoht are the only ones here actually editing the community page. I am just undoing your changes while you are editing the wiki to win an argument, rather than trying to actually trying to improve it.

Yes you did. You are trying to put my name on an article that does not reflect my opinions and attempting to say that others don't recognize the existence of more tiers. Both false.

I literally just copied the solo artist challenge page with your edits. Are you saying your own edits... do not reflect your opinions? This is absurd lol.

https://wiki.project1999.com/Zuranthium%27s_solo_artist_challenge

Zuranthium

07-03-2025, 02:05 AM

I literally just copied the solo artist challenge page with your edits. Are yoi saying your own edits... do not reflect your opinions? This is absurd lol.

What's absurd is your lack of reading comprehension, as usual.

The solo artist page does not reflect how I would rank each NPC encounter. There is currently no community desire to change that aspect of the page, but there IS very clearly a desire to see a more accurate and representative tier list. Hence, the tier list has been changed to the exact different ways of doing challenges that the community has engaged in. In the future there might be a desire for even more tiers, such as a solo self-found tier for people who have completed challenges with worse gear.

DeathsSilkyMist

07-03-2025, 02:13 AM

What's absurd is your lack of reading comprehension, as usual.

The solo artist page does not reflect how I would rank each NPC encounter. There is currently no community desire to change that aspect of the page, but there IS very clearly a desire to see a more accurate and representative tier list. Hence, the tier list has been changed to the exact different ways of doing challenges that the community has engaged in. In the future there might be a desire for even more tiers, such as a solo self-found tier for people who have completed challenges with worse gear.

You need to chill out. It's a copy of the solo challenge artist page. Everyone can see that. Nobody thinks you wrote the whole thing. It's just a template for you to get started on your own solo challenge list. You clearly have a lot of issues with the existing page. You can edit it however you want.

https://wiki.project1999.com/Zuranthium%27s_solo_artist_challenge

No, there isn't a clear desire to see your specific changes added to the community page. Nor do they make the wiki page more clear. What you are calling "consumables" were already clearly defined in the old version of the page. You are also very vague about things like what "moderate" usage is, for example.

Zuranthium

07-03-2025, 02:32 AM

No, there isn't a clear desire to see your specific changes added to the community page.

Yes there is. This thread alone has shown dozens of people stating there needs to be more differentiation, and the community factually doing challenges in these different ways already speaks for itself. The entire point of the wiki page is to recognize those achievements. The initial guidelines written there over a decade ago, by a single person, when people were already saying they wanted more differentiation, was never some set-in-stone thing. Until you recognize that fact, you're doing nothing but trolling.

DeathsSilkyMist

07-03-2025, 02:41 AM

Yes there is.

No, there isn't. Your changes aren't clear, and don't enhance the page in a meaningful way. You are just confusing people by saying things like "moderate" usage of consumable items.

Nobody knows what this means. You are just making the page more vague, which makes it harder for people to rank themselves.

Is "moderate" 5 charges of a Wort Pot? 9 charges? Nobody knows. It will end up being litigated thread by thread, like what you tried to do here by diminishing OP's accomplishments.

Zuranthium

07-03-2025, 03:00 AM

You are just confusing people by saying things like "moderate" usage of consumable items. Nobody knows what this means.

Nobody is confused, and it's specifically written in the guide section. Use of consumables should be less impactful than using a "strong item" clicky, otherwise it's the same thing as using that tier of items. Soulfire click is in the "strong item" category and anyone with a brain realizes that using potions to heal the same amount should be treated no different.

DeathsSilkyMist

07-03-2025, 03:00 AM

Nobody is confused, and it's specifically written in the guide section. Use of consumables should be less impactful than using a "strong item" clicky, otherwise it's the same thing as using that tier of items. Soulfire click is in the "strong item" category and anyone with brain realizes that using potions to heal the same amount should be treated no different.

How many wort pot clicks is a "moderate" use? Your changes don't say. I don't know what you mean.

How about Bladestopper? How many charges of that is "moderate"?

Zuranthium

07-03-2025, 03:18 AM

How many wort pot clicks is a "moderate" use? Your changes don't say. I don't know what you mean.

It does say. I literally wrote it out in the post you quoted. Get better nutrition and more exercise to increase blood flow to the brain or something.

The existing rules already banned Soulfire from the higher tier. Soulfire is a complete heal, for anyone who didn't know (everyone knew). Use of healing potions should be less than a complete heal on your character, otherwise it's obviously no different than using a "strong clicky".

DeathsSilkyMist

07-03-2025, 03:29 AM

It does say. I literally wrote it out in the post you quoted. Get better nutrition and more exercise to increase blood flow to the brain or something.

The existing rules already banned Soulfire from the higher tier. Soulfire is a complete heal, for anyone who didn't know (everyone knew). Use of healing potions should be less than a complete heal on your character, otherwise it's obviously no different than using a "strong clicky".

No, your post didn't specify a count. You can click a reaper/soulfire at different times, and people have different max HP values.

You need to define what percentage of your HP is considered the equivalent of a reaper/soulfire charge, and the amount of clicks will vary based on max HP.

What about "minor" useage? Is it 50% of "moderate" use? Again, nobody knows.

Zuranthium

07-03-2025, 03:54 AM

You need to define what percentage of your HP is considered the equivalent of a reaper/soulfire charge, and the amount of clicks will vary based on max HP.

No it doesn't need to be defined. Everyone knows what a complete heal can potentially do, and yes ofc it varies based on max HP. That's how basic math works. Potion usage should be healing for less than a complete heal can, to qualify for that tier.

What about "minor" useage? Is it 50% of "moderate" use?

There's no minor/moderate differentiation in any category. It's either no clickies, clickies less impactful than a Soulfire click, or anything that's at least as powerful as a Soulfire click.

Duik

07-03-2025, 05:23 AM

These infinitesimal differences you are mentioning can be down to RNG. Get lucky and you can do a (outside for a melee) buffless clickyless potionless kill OR be absolutely smashed.

We are on our way to defining the ammount of HP/mana left also has a bearing on the class of soloness.
Finish with < 5%hp and you get a S+* (* here is for butt puckering)
Finish on > 80%hp and you get a S- FAIL MOTHERFUCKER CHICKENSHIT NEWB.

Sscalez did good.
I think he has had an aneurysm reading many of these posts. Even ones supporting him.

If some group wipes after debuffing the mob. Tash, slow snare is thst gonna be another tier? Or should I just waste time letting it wear off?
Please dont answer this.

DeathsSilkyMist

07-03-2025, 09:02 AM

No it doesn't need to be defined. Everyone knows what a complete heal can potentially do, and yes ofc it varies based on max HP. That's how basic math works. Potion usage should be healing for less than a complete heal can, to qualify for that tier.

There's no minor/moderate differentiation in any category. It's either no clickies, clickies less impactful than a Soulfire click, or anything that's at least as powerful as a Soulfire click.

Yes, these things do need to be defined. Putting in vague words like minor and moderate usage will confuse people.

You haven't defined moderate usage for other clickies either. What about bladestopper? Midnight mallet?

Or we just keep the page the way it was, as it already defined clickie usage in clear binary terms. You use them or you don't. That is probably better.

Goregasmic

07-03-2025, 09:42 AM

Wow you guys added like 25 pages of bullshit to this thread within 24hours.

DeathsSilkyMist

07-03-2025, 09:46 AM

Wow you guys added like 25 pages of bullshit to this thread within 24hours.

It is indeed unfortunate. For some reason posters like Zuranthium cannot simply say good job and move on. They need to diminish OP's accomplishment and change the rules OP was operating under to justify their diminishment.

Samoht

07-03-2025, 09:48 AM

Oh, Wow. Did DSM really rage create an article impersonating someone else? This dude is unhinged.

The things that happen when normal people are sleeping...

DeathsSilkyMist

07-03-2025, 09:51 AM

Oh, Wow. Did DSM really rage create an article impersonating someone else? This dude is unhinged.

The things that happen when normal people are sleeping...

Why do you keep lying? I did not impersonate anyone. You just keep trashing your credibility.

Samoht

07-03-2025, 10:03 AM

Why do you keep lying? I did not impersonate anyone. You just keep trashing your credibility.

I'm lying?

https://wiki.project1999.com/Zuranthium%27s_solo_artist_challenge

This page seems to include evidence that it was done.

Are you implying that there's someone using the name Deathssilkymist on the wiki?

DeathsSilkyMist

07-03-2025, 10:10 AM

I'm lying?

https://wiki.project1999.com/Zuranthium%27s_solo_artist_challenge

This page seems to include evidence that it was done.

Are you implying that there's someone using the name Deathssilkymist on the wiki?

Yes you are lying. You claimed I impersonated someone, which is not true. I made a copy of the solo artist challenge wiki page for Zuranthium so he could use that as a template for his own challenge. It had his exact words with no edits from me, and he was given credit.

You are basically claiming quoting someone is impersonation. By that definition, everybody on these forums who has pressed the quote button is an impersonator.

Samoht

07-03-2025, 10:14 AM

I made a copy of the solo artist challenge wiki page

You made a copy? YOU made a copy? And put someone else's name on it? It's not someone else's page, it's DSMs page.

Sounds like impersonation to me. Thank you for admitting it. That's your page, not his.

Also, did you really try to argue that CH can be considered a normal heal depending on when someone uses a CH clicky? What kind of imbecile would use a CH clicky when they have 50% health or more?

Oh wait, the answer is obvious...

DeathsSilkyMist

07-03-2025, 10:21 AM

You made a copy? YOU made a copy? And put someone else's name on it? It's not someone else's page, it's DSMs page.

Sounds like impersonation to me. Thank you for admitting it. That's your page, not his.

Continuing to lie and doesn't make me look bad, or you look good. You can pretend document revision history and quoting someone is impersonation if you wish. It just makes you look uneducated.

Also, did you really try to argue that CH can be considered a normal heal depending on when someone uses a CH clicky? What kind of imbecile would use a CH clicky when they have 50% health or more?

Oh wait, the answer is obvious...

I never said use a reaper at 50%.

Clearly you have never been in a group where a cleric starts casting CH at 40% and the CH lands well before the tank reaches 0%.

Guardian Wurms can double attack for 1k damage. You don't want to wait until 400 HP to attempt to click your reaper. It's quite risky. Different mobs and scenarios mean you aren't always clicking reaper at 5% HP. It's variable.

Samoht

07-03-2025, 10:23 AM

I never said use a reaper at 50%.

Clearly you have never been in a group where a cleric starts casting CH at 40% and the CH lands well before the tank reaches 0%.

Oh, man... who's going to tell him? This is probably going to be the most hilarious thing that I read today. Comparing a clicky CH to a 10 second cast time... Hmmmm...

DeathsSilkyMist

07-03-2025, 10:27 AM

Oh, man... who's going to tell him? This is probably going to be the most hilarious thing that I read today. Comparing a clicky CH to a 10 second cast time... Hmmmm...

Thank you for admitting I never said to use a reaper at 50% or higher.

If you don't understand the basic concept that some mobs can do 1000 damage instantly, and some mobs can do 500 damage instantly, I can't help you. The amount of HP you get from reaper does depend on the scenario. You are not always clicking it at a fixed HP percentage like 5% or 1%.

Samoht

07-03-2025, 10:28 AM

You never SAID to per se, but you used the scenario on your post to defend your (idiotic) point of view.

No, your post didn't specify a count. You can click a reaper/soulfire at different times, and people have different max HP values.

You need to define what percentage of your HP is considered the equivalent of a reaper/soulfire charge, and the amount of clicks will vary based on max HP.

What about "minor" useage? Is it 50% of "moderate" use? Again, nobody knows.

DeathsSilkyMist

07-03-2025, 10:35 AM

You never SAID to per se, but you used the scenario on your post to defend your (idiotic) point of view.

You are clearly misrepresenting what I said.

If you don't define what percentage of HP counts as a reaper/soulfire, people will not know if 8 wort pot clicks or 9 wort pot clicks have put them past the "moderate" threshold.

Samoht

07-03-2025, 10:36 AM

DeathsSilkyMist

07-03-2025, 10:38 AM

Why are you even proposing the distinction of a CH chain is even necessary in a discussion regarding the SOLO artist challenge? It seems like you're intentionally obfuscating things. This is just another straw man.

You can make baseless claims if you want. I didn't say use a CH chain in a solo challenge. Your baseless claims don't change the reality of my argument or what I've posted.

Stryker85

07-03-2025, 10:41 AM

I wish I could delete this thread.

DeathsSilkyMist

07-03-2025, 10:42 AM

I wish I could delete this thread.

Agreed! I am sorry the trolls destroyed the thread.

Samoht

07-03-2025, 10:42 AM

DeathsSilkyMist

07-03-2025, 10:44 AM

It's not reality, you seem to be missing a key difference between CH chain and clicky CH heals like reaper/soulfire...

Also, those are 100% going to be considered strong consumables due to their potential, not when you're using them.

No further distinction is necessary.

Straw man over. It has been defeated.

What's the next one?

Let's just leave your troll rant here. You clearly aren't willing to have this discussion in good faith. Sorry you decided to spam the thread... again.

Sorry you couldn't come up with good arguments and resorted to personal attacks. I'm glad the community is moving forward on this and your input while excruciatingly long was found to be completely worthless.

This is pure nonsense of course. He is just trolling.

Back on topic:

Reposting OP's epic video where he kills Fungi King solo with his monk, no consumables:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wONdIYAofyQ

https://wiki.project1999.com/Solo_Artist_Challenge

It deserves the highest ranking of [S] when following the solo artist challenge wiki page.

Samoht

07-03-2025, 10:45 AM

Sorry you couldn't come up with good arguments and resorted to personal attacks. I'm glad the community is moving forward on this and your input while excruciatingly long was found to be completely worthless.

DeathsSilkyMist

07-03-2025, 10:51 AM

loramin

07-03-2025, 11:01 AM

Wow you guys added like 25 pages of bullshit to this thread within 24hours.

You say "you guys" as if there wasn't a single individual who is responsible for this, and ever other 25 page bullshit thread in this forum for the past 2+ years.

Of course, it takes two to tango, but let's not ignore that everyone in these threads is always tangoing with DSM.

DeathsSilkyMist

07-03-2025, 11:03 AM

You say "you guys" as if there wasn't a single individual who is responsible for this, and ever other 25 page bullshit thread in this forum for the past 2+ years.

Continuing to lie just makes you look bad. Everybody can read the thread and see the trolling and attacks from other posters, including yourself. No amount of lies will hide the post history or the truth.

Back on topic:

Reposting OP's epic video where he kills Fungi King solo with his monk, no consumables:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wONdIYAofyQ

https://wiki.project1999.com/Solo_Artist_Challenge

It deserves the highest ranking of [S] when following the solo artist challenge wiki page.

loramin

07-03-2025, 11:05 AM

Continuing to lie just makes you look bad. Everybody can read the thread and see the trolling and attacks from other posters, including yourself. No amount of lies will hide the post history or the truth.

What I just said was a fact. You cannot disprove it: to do so you'd have to find a 25 page bullshit thread from the past two years that you weren't involved in.

I'll wait while you do. Except you won't, because you can't.

Samoht

07-03-2025, 11:06 AM

You say "you guys" as if there wasn't a single individual who is responsible for this, and ever other 25 page bullshit thread in this forum for the past 2+ years.

Of course, it takes two to tango, but let's not ignore that everyone in these threads is always tangoing with DSM.

Hay, stop posting here. DSM is obviously in shut down mode. He's just accusing every response or retort as being a lie no matter how valid it is and then spamming the same nonsense (worse than usual). Let him have the last word so maybe he'll move on with his life.

DeathsSilkyMist

07-03-2025, 11:09 AM

What I just said was a fact. You cannot disprove it: to do so you'd have to find a 25 page bullshit thread from the past two years that you weren't involved in.

I'll wait while you do. Except you won't, because you can't.

You made a claim. You have to prove it. Shifting the burden of proof is a fallacy. Show me a thread, and I can show you where the problem occurred. I don't start these back and forths. In thls thread, it was Samoht who resorted to character attacks first. The post history proves it.

Can you actually make a post that doesn't have a lie or fallacy in it?

Back on topic:

Reposting OP's epic video where he kills Fungi King solo with his monk, no consumables:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wONdIYAofyQ

https://wiki.project1999.com/Solo_Artist_Challenge

It deserves the highest ranking of [S] when following the solo artist challenge wiki page.

loramin

07-03-2025, 11:09 AM

Hay, stop posting here. DSM is obviously in shut down mode. He's just accusing every response or retort as being a lie no matter how valid it is and then spamming the same nonsense (worse than usual).

So it's a Wednesday?

DeathsSilkyMist

07-03-2025, 11:10 AM

So it's a Wednesday?

Another lie. Ironically in multiple ways lol.

Back on topic:

Reposting OP's epic video where he kills Fungi King solo with his monk, no consumables:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wONdIYAofyQ

https://wiki.project1999.com/Solo_Artist_Challenge

It deserves the highest ranking of [S] when following the solo artist challenge wiki page.

Samoht

07-03-2025, 11:12 AM

So it's a Wednesday?

At this point it's clear that we're dealing with a person who is mentally disabled, and I think we should stop agitating them.

loramin

07-03-2025, 11:13 AM

You made a claim. You have to prove it. Shifting the burden of proof is a fallacy. Show me a thread, and I can show you where the problem occurred. I don't start these back and forths. In thls thread, it was Samoht who resorted to character attacks first. The post history proves it.

Can you actually make a post that doesn't have a lie or fallacy in it?

If your car gets stolen once, it's not your fault. If your car gets stolen 100 times ...

You are responsible for every thread like this one for the past two years or more in this forum. Don't try to deny it: stop turning your brain off the moment something offends your fragile ego.

You are intelligent DSM: question reality, don't look away from it. Why are you the common denominator in every thread?

DeathsSilkyMist

07-03-2025, 11:14 AM

At this point it's clear that we're dealing with a person who is mentally disabled, and I think we should stop agitating them.

Thank you for showing how thoroughly you lost the debate. Character attacks are all you can do in this thread. Yikes.

Back on topic:

Reposting OP's epic video where he kills Fungi King solo with his monk, no consumables:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wONdIYAofyQ

https://wiki.project1999.com/Solo_Artist_Challenge

It deserves the highest ranking of [S] when following the solo artist challenge wiki page.

DeathsSilkyMist

07-03-2025, 11:19 AM

If your car gets stolen once, it's not your fault. If your car gets stolen 100 times ...

You are responsible for every thread like this one for the past two years or more in this forum. Don't try to deny it: stop turning your brain off the moment something offends your fragile ego.

You are intelligent DSM: question reality, don't look away from it. B]Why[/B] are you the common denominator in every thread!

You have followed me around every thread recently and harasssed me with the same lies. Why do you think that is appropriate? Why do you think OP cares about your delusions?

Back on topic:

Reposting OP's epic video where he kills Fungi King solo with his monk, no consumables:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wONdIYAofyQ

https://wiki.project1999.com/Solo_Artist_Challenge

It deserves the highest ranking of [S] when following the solo artist challenge wiki page.

Samoht

07-03-2025, 11:21 AM

Thank you for showing how thoroughly you lost the debate. Character attacks are all you can do in this thread. Yikes.

Are there any mirrors in your house?

DeathsSilkyMist

07-03-2025, 11:23 AM

Are there any mirrors in your house?

The post history still shows the truth as to who the trolls and attackers are. Spamming the thread won't change this.

I'll take that as a no. Trolls don't like mirrors.

Thank you for finally telling the truth about yourself. It is a step in the right direction.

Back on topic:

Reposting OP's epic video where he kills Fungi King solo with his monk, no consumables:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wONdIYAofyQ

https://wiki.project1999.com/Solo_Artist_Challenge

It deserves the highest ranking of [S] when following the solo artist challenge wiki page.

Samoht

07-03-2025, 11:24 AM

I'll take that as a no. Trolls don't like mirrors.

loramin

07-03-2025, 11:45 AM

https://images.cartoonstock.com/lowres/miscellaneous-speed_bump-smokes-ostrich-heads-sand-CG155511_low.jpg

DeathsSilkyMist

07-03-2025, 11:46 AM

If you just replace smoking with "being disengenuous", this sums it up DSM:

https://images.cartoonstock.com/lowres/miscellaneous-speed_bump-smokes-ostrich-heads-sand-CG155511_low.jpg

Loramin keeps dodging my question:

You have followed me around every thread recently and harasssed me with the same lies. Why do you think that is appropriate? Why do you think OP cares about your delusions? Your posts have nothing to do with the topic.

loramin

07-03-2025, 11:47 AM

Why do you think OP cares about your delusions?

You think OP is still reading this, and you have the balls to call me delusional?

Samoht

07-03-2025, 11:56 AM

You think OP is still reading this, and you have the balls to call me delusional?

Calm down. DSM has a lot of experience with being delusional, so he's just projecting his insecurities onto you. Lashing out against him is not going to help much. I think that it's clear that he's dealing with some cognitive dissonance issues and is having problems coming up with meaningful arguments (or even coherent thoughts), so he's resorting to ad hominem attacks. No amount of logic is going to help pull him out of this. I think we should just give him some space so that he can reflect inwardly. I'd recommend he spend some time looking into a mirror, but he doesn't own one, so do you have any suggestions on how we can help?

DeathsSilkyMist

07-03-2025, 11:56 AM

You think OP is still reading this, and you have the balls to call me delusional?

Loramin keeps dodging my question:

You have followed me around every thread recently and harasssed me with the same lies. Why do you think that is appropriate? Why does any thread benefit from this?

loramin

07-03-2025, 11:56 AM

You think OP is still reading this, and you have the balls to call me delusional?

This is what I'm talking about with writing to the imaginary voices in your head. Your entire approach to this forum isn't "I'm going to communicate with the people I'm talking to", it's "I'm going to convince the OP (and other imaginary readers) that I'm right; I'm going to win on the field of forum combat!"

But it's not like that, and your very approach is what causes you to create 25-page fight threads.

DeathsSilkyMist

07-03-2025, 11:58 AM

This is what I'm talking about with writing to the imaginary voices in your head. Your entire approach to this forum isn't "I'm going to communicate with the people I'm talking to", it's "I'm going to convince the OP (and other imaginary readers) that I'm right; I'm going to win on the field of forum combat!"

But it's not like that, and your very approach is what causes you to create 25-page fight threads.

Loramin keeps dodging my question:

You have followed me around every thread recently and harasssed me with the same lies. Why do you think that is appropriate?

He can't answer because he knows he is wrong here, and part of the problem.

loramin

07-03-2025, 11:58 AM

Why does any thread benefit from this?

If you stopped posting like such a disengenuous argumentive asshole all the time the entire forum would benefit, immensely!

Maybe I only have a 10% chance of making that happen (dwindling by the second), but it's worth a shot.

DeathsSilkyMist

07-03-2025, 11:59 AM

If you stopped posting like such a disengenuous argumentive asshole all the time the entire forum would benefit, immensely!

Loramin keeps dodging my question:

You have followed me around every thread recently and harasssed me with the same lies. Why do you think that is appropriate?

He can't answer because he knows he is wrong here, and part of the problem.

loramin

07-03-2025, 12:01 PM

He can't answer because he knows he is wrong here, and part of the problem.

Maybe I can't answer because you keep changing the question? Do you even know what "moving the goalposts" means, or why it's a rude and disingenuous tactic?

Why does any thread benefit from this?

Why do you think that is appropriate?

... but either way, the answer is I want to make the forum a better place, and I think when there's a problem in the forum it's appropriate to address it.

loramin

07-03-2025, 12:03 PM

In before DSM ignores that he's the common denominator and blames everyone else.

DeathsSilkyMist

07-03-2025, 12:08 PM

... but either way, the answer is I want to make the forum a better place, and I think when there's a problem in the forum it's appropriate to address it.

Now you know why I defend myself. I also want to make the forum a better place. My approach is to call out the trolls for their bad behavior. Your approach is to be a troll. This is why you are the one in the wrong. You are just part of the problem you want to fix.

Samoht

07-03-2025, 12:12 PM

Now you know why I defend myself. I also want to make the forum a better place. My approach is to call out the trolls for their bad behavior. Your approach is to be a troll. This is why you are the one in the wrong. You are just part of the problem you want to fix.

How hilarious. He sees himself as the hero while everybody else sees him as the villain. DSM is Arthas!

loramin

07-03-2025, 12:13 PM

Now you know why I defend myself. I also want to make the forum a better place. My approach is to call out the trolls for their bad behavior. Your approach is to be a troll. This is why you are the one in the wrong. You are just part of the problem you want to fix.

I am part of the problem; everyone is, we're all a community talking to each other, so by definition we all share some responsibility.

But I'm not in every one of these 10+ page shitpost fests. You are DSM: you are the common denominator in all of them.

DeathsSilkyMist

07-03-2025, 12:13 PM

How hilarious. He sees himself as the hero while everybody else sees him as the villain. DSM is Arthas!

The post history is clear who the attackers and trolls are. You are just adding more evidence to the pile.

I am part of the problem.

Indeed. Fix yourself, and there will be less unecessary posts on this forum. You have the power to fix yourself way more than a random person on the internet.

If all of the bad actors in this thread fixed themselves, this never would have happened.

loramin

07-03-2025, 12:16 PM

The post history is clear who the attackers and trolls are. You are just adding more evidence to the pile.

It's not though. Go back and read one of your other shitpost fests from like a year ago, so you can be more objective.

When you're writing this shit, it's clear you see yourself as a white knight battling villains. But go back and read your threads with a dispassionate eye, as every other poster reads them, and you'll notice that you play a central role in directing every thread into dumpster fire territory.

DeathsSilkyMist

07-03-2025, 12:17 PM

It's not though. Go back and read one of your other shitpost fests from like a year ago, so you can be more objective.

When you're writing this shit, it's clear you see yourself as a white knight battling villains. But go back and read your threads with a dispassionate eye, as every other poster reads them, and you'll notice that you play a central role in directing everythread into garbage fire territory.

You should do that for your own posts. I have gone back to previous threads, and the post history still shows I was attacked first objectively speaking.

loramin

07-03-2025, 12:18 PM

It's sad that you insist on seeing things that way. I really did think you were smarter than that.

Samoht

07-03-2025, 12:19 PM

It's sad that you insist on seeing things that way. I really did think you were smarter than that.

He did write a DPS calculator...

DeathsSilkyMist

07-03-2025, 12:19 PM

It's sad that you insist on seeing things that way. I really did think you were smarter than that.

Can you actually show a thread when I attacked someone first? You never provide evidence for your claims. Samoht objectively attacked me first in this thread.

loramin

07-03-2025, 12:22 PM

He did write a DPS calculator...

Look, we know DSM isn't just "numbers smart". He has actual "understand logic and how the world works" intelligence, when he's not turning his brain off.

I dunno, maybe it's a lack of intelligence, or maybe it's just a kind of "stuck in his ways" thing where he's unwilling to change his views no matter what reality throws at him. Either way, I really did think his brain had the capacity to take in new ideas and adjust. Clearly I thought wrong.

DeathsSilkyMist

07-03-2025, 12:23 PM

Look, we know DSM isn't just "numbers smart". He has actual "understand logic and how the wolrd works" intelligence, when he's not turning his brain off.

I dunno, maybe it's a lack of intelligence, or maybe it's just a kind of "stuck in his ways" thing where he's unwilling to change his views no matter what reality throws at him. Either way, I really did think his brain had the capacity to take in new ideas and adjust; I thought wrong.

Samoht is just using a stawman with his DPS calculator comment. He claimed I lacked basic knowledge of the game first, and I responded with counter evidence.

You are dodging again:

Can you actually show a thread when I attacked someone first? You never provide evidence for your claims. Samoht objectively attacked me first in this thread.

Samoht

07-03-2025, 12:25 PM

Look, we know DSM isn't just "numbers smart". He has actual "understand logic and how the world works" intelligence, when he's not turning his brain off.

I dunno, maybe it's a lack of intelligence, or maybe it's just a kind of "stuck in his ways" thing where he's unwilling to change his views no matter what reality throws at him. Either way, I really did think his brain had the capacity to take in new ideas and adjust. Clearly I thought wrong.

OH, I don't think you know... The DPS calculator was a joke and displayed an inherent lack of understanding of basic game fundamentals.

DeathsSilkyMist

07-03-2025, 12:27 PM

OH, I don't think you know... The DPS calculator was a joke and displayed an inherent lack of understanding of basic game fundamentals.

Why do you keep lying about me? It just makes you look bad.

loramin

07-03-2025, 12:27 PM

Samoht is just using a stawman with his DPS calculator comment. He claimed I lacked basic knowledge of the game first, and zi responded with counter evidence.

You are dodging again:

Can you actually show a thread when I attacked someone first? You never provide evidence for your claims. Samoht objectively attacked me first in this thread.

I don't have to show you anything (although if I were bored, I guarantee I could produce tons of quotes of you picking forum fights).

My point isn't about who started what fight. Again, when a kid gets in a fight at school, maybe it's the kid's fault, or maybe it's someone else's: it makes sense to care about which.

But when a kid gets in fifty fights in fifty days, that kid has a problem. Maybe that problem is that the kid tells bullies to go fuck themselves every day ... but the problem is still that kid. No other kid at that school (or any other) gets in fifty fights.

DeathsSilkyMist

07-03-2025, 12:29 PM

I don't have to show you anything

Thank you for admitting you have been lying about me, as you have no evidence for your claims. Thank you for admitting you are just spamming threads.

I am part of the problem.

Correct. Reflect on your poor behavior and do better next time.

There are people how know how dual wield works, then there's DSM...

More lies.

Samoht

07-03-2025, 12:32 PM

There are people how know how dual wield works, then there's DSM...

Samoht

07-03-2025, 12:36 PM

the only way an Off Hand Swing can be triggered is via a Main Hand Swing.

If I'm a liar, how do you explain this?

DeathsSilkyMist

07-03-2025, 12:42 PM

If I'm a liar, how do you explain this?

Yes, I learned something new. That is great! Claiming I still don't know something I learned is a lie. Claiming my DPS calculator is faulty is also a lie without evidence.

Samoht

07-03-2025, 12:45 PM

Claiming my DPS calculator is faulty is also a lie without evidence.

The fact that you don't know when the offhand time starts *IS* evidence that your calculator is faulty.

shovelquest

07-03-2025, 12:48 PM

I don't have to show you anything (although if I were bored, I guarantee I could produce tons of quotes of you picking forum fights).

My point isn't about who started what fight. Again, when a kid gets in a fight at school, maybe it's the kid's fault, or maybe it's someone else's: it makes sense to care about which.

But when a kid gets in fifty fights in fifty days, that kid has a problem. Maybe that problem is that the kid tells bullies to go fuck themselves every day ... but the problem is still that kid. No other kid at that school (or any other) gets in fifty fights.

why do you keep getting into fights loramin?

DeathsSilkyMist

07-03-2025, 12:49 PM

The fact that you don't know when the offhand time starts *IS* evidence that your calculator is faulty.

I explained this already. The code for the offhand was already a separate timer before. It just couldn't go faster than the main hand. All of my DPS tests were using weapons that had a slower offhand or were 2 handed, so that small bug didn't invalidate any of the tests I did. The calculator worked for every other scenario, and the offhand timer is fixed now. You have no evidence there are other flaws in the calculator.

Feel free to go through my code and check! Feel free to test your own data against my calculator.

Samoht

07-03-2025, 12:52 PM

I explained this already. The code for the offhand was already a separate timer before. It just couldn't go faster than the main hand. All of my DPS tests were using weapons that had a slower offhand or were 2 handed, so that small bug didn't invalidate any of the tests I did. The calculator worked for every other scenario, and the offhand timer is fixed now. You have no evidence there are other flaws in the calculator.

Feel free to go through my code and check! Feel free to test your own data against my calculator.

Who peer reviewed you? One known bug is all it takes to prove it's not a good calculator and now the onus is on YOU to prove there aren't further bugs.

shovelquest

07-03-2025, 12:52 PM

Be DSM: Like to debate EQ meta on eq meta forum

Be people that reply to DSM: REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

loramin

07-03-2025, 12:54 PM

why do you keep getting into fights loramin?

If [DSM] stopped posting like such a disengenuous argumentive asshole all the time the entire forum would benefit, immensely!

Maybe I only have a 10% chance of making that happen (dwindling by the second), but it's worth a shot.

(And with DSM, there is no way to introduce any thought or idea he doesn't immediately agree with unless you "fight" with him ... and he clearly won't accept the idea that he is in any way culpable.)

shovelquest

07-03-2025, 12:56 PM

disengenuous argumentive asshole

Why do you always get into fights where you call people this on the eq discussion forum?

shovelquest

07-03-2025, 12:59 PM

DeathsSilkyMist

07-03-2025, 12:59 PM

Who peer reviewed you? One known bug is all it takes to prove it's not a good calculator and now the onus is on YOU to prove there aren't further bugs.

Feel free to go through the code. It's open source. I posted multiple DPS parses from P99 that match my calculator across multiple classes, levels, and weapon sets. I have plenty of evidence to support my caluclator.

You are making the claim it is buggy. You need to prove that claim.

shovelquest

07-03-2025, 01:00 PM

Feel free?

Open source?

Posting parses??

What an argumentitive asshole!

(SARCASM).

Loramin, your accusations do not hold up.

DeathsSilkyMist

07-03-2025, 01:05 PM

Hey DSM, do you think that allowing for outside buffs should still be on the Solo artist challange?

I think that's a reasonable update.

Should we as a community change the rules, everyone? Seems fair, but I haven't been as invested as some of the other solo artists since velious.

(lets see how DSM replies to this post)

Personally I think outside buffs for melees is fine. In the case of OP, he didn't actually need Aego to finish the fight, as he never took like 3k+ worth if damage in a short time. The extra HP from Aego just saved him some Wort Pot money.

We would have to find a specific mob that would require the extra HP from Aego to clearly make the argument that OP or other melee solo artists actually needed Aego to win the fight as opposed to using Wort Pots. The idea would be to show it is not mathematically possible to kill this mob with the melee solo artist's existing max HP self buffed.

shovelquest

07-03-2025, 01:06 PM

Personally I think outside buffs for melees is fine. In the case of OP, he didn't actually need Aego to finish the fight, as he never took like 3k+ worth if damage in a short time. The extra HP from Aego just saved him some Wort Pot money.

We would have to find a specific mob that would require the extra HP from Aego to clearly make the argument that OP or other melee solo artists actually needed aego to win the fight vs. using Wort Pots. The idea would be to show it is not mathematically possible with his existing max HP self buffed.

Oh gosh, look, a reasonable throughout respectful reply.

Hmm I wonder if it's not a DSM problem.

Samoht

07-03-2025, 01:07 PM

You are making the claim it is buggy. You need to prove that claim.

Nuh uh. You didn't prove that I didn't prove it.

Samoht

07-03-2025, 01:11 PM

Oh gosh, look, a reasonable throughout respectful reply.

Hmm I wonder if it's not a DSM problem.

I'm wondering why he focused on Aego. The OP was raid buffed in the original video and I didn't notice Aego in the third iteration, but still had many other raid buffs.

Maybe DSM doesn't know about raid buffs? Just like he doesn't know the difference between CH chain and CH clickies or when the swing timer starts on an offhand attack.

This is the root of the problem: He's presenting himself as some sort of expert on the subject of EQ, and he sees anybody who can prove that incorrect as a threat. He resorts to calling them names and follows them around to several threads with the intent to attack them.

Just like he did on this one.

shovelquest

07-03-2025, 01:15 PM

In the consumable less one (try 3?) he had ageo and some shaman buffs. So I agree there is some discussion to be had!

Maybe DSM doesn't know about raid buffs? Just like he doesn't know the difference between CH chain and CH clickies or when the swing timer starts on an offhand attack.

You are a master poster sir :D

This is why the oreo factory will never get back into production once you 3 take over :p

Samoht

07-03-2025, 01:19 PM

In the consumable less one (try 3?) he had ageo and some shaman buffs. So I agree there is some discussion to be had!

Yeah, I wasn't going to try to dissect that blurry mess that hard. I was done when he still had FoS and VoG.

shovelquest

07-03-2025, 01:23 PM

I for one would think [S] should not allow for outside buffs. It just wont ever feel solo to me otherwise.

But despite all your guy's rage, one of you updated the wiki during this to say that.

So, I guess this has been a productive conversation!

Samoht

07-03-2025, 01:28 PM

DeathsSilkyMist

07-03-2025, 01:50 PM

I wonder how long it's going to take before the updates to get defaced.

Updating the wiki due to being angry and trying to win an argument was the only potential defacement that has been done.

If people want to actually have a conversation about changing the wiki that doesn't involve character attacks and edits that were not well written/thought out, I'd be happy to do so. But that should be another thread. OP's thread is not about changing the wiki or solo artist challenge rules.

shovelquest

07-03-2025, 01:52 PM

DeathsSilkyMist

07-03-2025, 01:53 PM

I agree that we can't just arbitrarily decide to change it.

But if we discuss it long enough, maybe a thread should be started for that alone (no attacks, just debating EQ) then we can get to an amicable recipe for the new cookies.

Agreed!

Back on topic:

Reposting OP's epic video where he kills Fungi King solo with his monk, no consumables:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wONdIYAofyQ

https://wiki.project1999.com/Solo_Artist_Challenge

It deserves the highest ranking of [S] when following the solo artist challenge wiki page.

Zuranthium

07-03-2025, 01:55 PM

I for one would think [S] should not allow for outside buffs. It just wont ever feel solo to me otherwise.

There's some further discussion to be had about buffs, yeah. The amount used can vary a lot. S-tier means using less than your max HP of consumable items while having no outside buffs, so getting outside buffs instead of using consumables should also not exceed that level of effect.

Samoht

07-03-2025, 01:55 PM

lol, S is no longer the highest ranking.

shovelquest

07-03-2025, 01:56 PM

Agreed!

Back on topic:

Reposting OP's epic video where he kills Fungi King solo with his monk, no consumables:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wONdIYAofyQ

https://wiki.project1999.com/Solo_Artist_Challenge

It deserves the highest ranking of [S] when following the solo artist challenge wiki page.

OP has long since quit eq and p99 for life after this thread :p

DeathsSilkyMist

07-03-2025, 02:04 PM

OP has long since quit eq and p99 for life after this thread :p

It is unfortunate. This thread could have been a normal thread, but some posters simply cannot help themselves. The most suprising one is always Loramin. A wiki admin breaking the forum rules repeatedly to harass other posters across multiple threads over and over. It's not a good look.

Back on topic:

Reposting OP's epic video where he kills Fungi King solo with his monk, no consumables:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wONdIYAofyQ

https://wiki.project1999.com/Solo_Artist_Challenge

It deserves the highest ranking of [S] when following the solo artist challenge wiki page. Please note the wiki page was changed after OP did his video, and the changes are still in dispute. [S+] did not exist as a rank previously.

loramin

07-03-2025, 02:20 PM

DeathsSilkyMist

07-03-2025, 02:24 PM

DSM shits up hundreds of other threads with his desire to fight the world.

Loramin points out that DSM should stop fighting imaginary forum battles and shitting up threads as a result.

Loramin is to blame for DSM shitting up threads.

This is incorrect.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3742450&postcount=45

Loramin attacks my character as his first post in this thread. He had zero on topic posts before this.

I defend myself, because it isn't a good idea for the forums to be filled with lies and trolls.

Loramin blames me for his initial off-topic post, and blames me for the bad behavior of every other poster on this forum.

As a wiki admin he should be ashamed.

Back on topic:

Reposting OP's epic video where he kills Fungi King solo with his monk, no consumables:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wONdIYAofyQ

https://wiki.project1999.com/Solo_Artist_Challenge

It deserves the highest ranking of [S] when following the solo artist challenge wiki page. Please note the wiki page was changed after OP did his video, and the changes are still in dispute. [S+] did not exist as a rank previously.

shovelquest

07-03-2025, 02:26 PM

DSM shits up hundreds of other threads with his desire to fight the world.

Loramin points out that DSM should stop fighting imaginary forum battles and shitting up threads as a result.

Loramin is to blame for DSM shitting up threads.

He's like, great video! nice work! awesome contribution!

lol you're like "hes SHIT, hes an ASSHOLE"

lol!

DSM what did you do to these guys in previous threads?

Zuranthium

07-03-2025, 02:28 PM

loramin

07-03-2025, 02:29 PM

As a wiki admin he should be ashamed.

As a wiki admin I had to suspend you for shitting up the wiki with your forum fights! Your addiction to warring with the forum is so bad you re-created Zura's page eight times (https://wiki.project1999.com/index.php?title=Zuranthium%27s_solo_artist_challen ge&action=history), despite him clearly being against it (and despite said page not benefiting the community in any way).

You have a problem DSM, and your problem makes the entire community worse off for it. Deal with your shit already: stop being such a damn coward and burying your head in the sand!

shovelquest

07-03-2025, 02:31 PM

DeathsSilkyMist

07-03-2025, 02:31 PM

As a wiki admin I had to suspend you for shitting up the wiki with your forum fights! Your addiction to warring with the forum is so bad you re-created Zura's page eight times (https://wiki.project1999.com/index.php?title=Zuranthium%27s_solo_artist_challen ge&action=history), despite him clearly being against it (and despite said page not benefiting the community in any way).

You have a problem DSM, and your problem makes the entire community worse off for it. Deal with your shit.

Loramin is abusing his admin privledges to attack me. You honestly shouldn't mention that after you have been trolling me non-stop in this thread. You are extremely biased against me. It's now a really bad look.

Samoht

07-03-2025, 02:31 PM

Challenging someone to do more is fine. Discouraging people from doing something isn't fine.

People in this thread responding negatively were discouraging, not challenging.

Awesome! Can't wait to see the video.

Here's the post that threw the thread off the rails. Notice who created it.

DeathsSilkyMist

07-03-2025, 02:32 PM

The OP was never following the outdated wiki page, DSM. What was listed on that page was incomplete and contradictory and long overdue for revision. His achievement of not using consumables, and the achievements of countless other people, were not recognized by that outdated page.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3743719&postcount=22

OP Explicitly mentions the solo challenge rules here on page 3.

Technically I did not kill him when I was buffed by my own toons. I was buffed by a group at NG camp, you can still see my tells to their enchanter in the chat window. My toons are parked for when I can't get buffs from others already in the zone. Regardless, it's pretty absurd to expect something like this to be done with only self buffs, it's never even been done fully buffed before (without charges), but somehow that's not good enough for you?

https://wiki.project1999.com/Solo_Artist_Challenge#.22Clickies.22

Perhaps you should take a took at the Solo Artist Challenge Rules. It clearly says in the Clickies section towards the end: "Outside buffs are not permitted for casters; melee can get as many buffs as they like as they are already at a considerable disadvantage."

Anyways, again, sorry if this isn't good enough for yall's standards. Looking forward to seeing your attempts next.

loramin

07-03-2025, 02:33 PM

Loramin is abusing his admin privledges to attack me. You honestly shouldn't mention that after you have been trolling me non-stop in this thread. You are extremely biased against me. It's now a really bad look.

What you did on the wiki was public. If you're embarrassed by your behavior, change your behavior.

Samoht

07-03-2025, 02:33 PM

As a wiki admin I had to suspend you for shitting up the wiki with your forum fights! Your addiction to warring with the forum is so bad you re-created Zura's page eight times (https://wiki.project1999.com/index.php?title=Zuranthium%27s_solo_artist_challen ge&action=history), despite him clearly being against it (and despite said page not benefiting the community in any way).

You have a problem DSM, and your problem makes the entire community worse off for it. Deal with your shit already: stop being such a damn coward and burying your head in the sand!

Impersonating someone else by creating new pages in their name 8 times is excessive and suspension seems well deserved.

I had no idea that he was that obsessed.

DeathsSilkyMist

07-03-2025, 02:36 PM

What you did on the wiki was public. If you're embarrassed by your behavior, change your behavior.

The only embarassment is yourself. Having a separate page for Zur is the easiest resolution for this kind of conflict. Both parties get their own toys. As an admin that is what I would do.

Suspending the poster you have been attacking and harassing non-stop looks bad. If you think creating a new wiki page is vandalism, I disagree. But of course you have the power. Feel free to abuse it.

shovelquest

07-03-2025, 02:39 PM

Well.

One thing is for sure:

We're never fucking getting the cookie factory back into production.

CASE.

CLOSED.

Samoht

07-03-2025, 02:42 PM

DeathsSilkyMist

07-03-2025, 02:42 PM

Get help.

You first! Learn to not derail threads with character attacks.

Samoht

07-03-2025, 02:43 PM

The only embarassment is yourself. Having a separate page for Zur is the easiest resolution for this kind of conflict. Both parties get their own toys. As an admin that is what I would do.

Suspending the poster you have been attacking and harassing non-stop looks bad. If you think creating a new wiki page is vandalism, I disagree. But of course you have the power. Feel free to abuse it.

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Zuranthium

07-03-2025, 02:49 PM

OP Explicitly mentions the solo challenge rules here on page 3.

Just because he mentions it doesn't mean he was following it exactly. There was no tier for doing a challenge without consumables, which was the entire point of what he was trying to do.

We now have tiers that accurately reflect what different soloers have put effort into achieving and making videos of.

DeathsSilkyMist

07-03-2025, 02:55 PM

Just because he mentions it doesn't mean he was following it exactly. There was no tier for doing a challenge without consumables, which was the entire point of what he was trying to do.

We now have tiers that accurately reflect what different soloers have put effort into achieving and making videos of.

I have evidence OP was using the solo artist challenge rules.

I disagree with your wiki changes too. They have added extra vagueness to how clickies work. The previous version was much clearer. You don't seem interested in taking any feedback.

Samoht

07-03-2025, 02:56 PM

I have evidence OP was using the solo artist challenge rules.

I disagree with your wiki changes too. They have added extra vagueness to how clickies work. The previous version was much clearer. You don't seem interested in taking any feedback.

Awwwwee... is the widdle baby upset he didn't get invited to the party?

DeathsSilkyMist

07-03-2025, 03:01 PM

Awwwwee... is the widdle baby upset he didn't get invited to the party?

I'm not the one that suffers from this. The solo artist challenge page is worse off than it was before. The people reading it will be the ones that suffer.

Samoht

07-03-2025, 03:03 PM

I'm not the one that suffers from this. The solo artist challenge page is worse off than it was before. The people reading it will be the ones that suffer.

You have already proven that you are not making any arguments here in good faith. Any authority you claim to have on the subject is not recognized, and for the time being, any feedback you might have on the subject will be disregarded.

DeathsSilkyMist

07-03-2025, 03:04 PM

You have already proven that you are not making any arguments here in good faith. Any authority you claim to have on the subject is not recognized, and for the time being, any feedback you might have on the subject will be disregarded.

People can read the post history and make their own conclusions. You are at a significant disadvantage in this regard. Your mountains of troll posts help me immensly.

Samoht

07-03-2025, 03:06 PM

People can read the post history and make their own conclusions. You are at a significant disadvantage in this regard. Your mountains of troll posts help me immensly.

At least I didn't get wiki banned for impersonating another poster and making multiple new pages in their name.

DeathsSilkyMist

07-03-2025, 03:10 PM

At least I didn't get wiki banned for impersonating another poster and making multiple new pages in their name.

The admin who suspended me (Loramin) has been trolling and attacking me non-stop for a while now, since the druid advice thread at least.

Loramin has abused his powers due to his bias against me. Of course he will take the side of anybody who isn't me.

Now the wiki page will be a mess. It is the other viewers of the wiki who will suffer, not me.

loramin

07-03-2025, 03:14 PM

The admin who suspended me (Loramin) has been trolling and attacking me non-stop for a while now, since the druid advice thread at least.

Loramin has abused his powers due to his bias against me. Of course he will take the side of anybody who isn't me.

Now the wiki page will be a mess. It is the other viewers of the wiki who will suffer, not me.

I believe I've conducted my actions impartially. If you disagree, I strongly encourage you to get another wiki admin involved, and if they disagree with my ruling I will not only unsuspend you, I will publicly apologize.

However, I don't think that's going to happen, because I think any wiki admin seeing Player A create a page in Player B's name ... eight times ... all over a forum fight, while adding nothing of value to the wiki ... is going to agree that Player A is abusing the wiki and needs a break.

Samoht

07-03-2025, 03:14 PM

The admin who suspended me (Loramin) has been trolling and attacking me non-stop for a while now, since the druid advice thread at least.

Loramin has abused his powers due to his bias against me. Of course he will take the side of anybody who isn't me.

From an objective outside point of view, and probably nobody hates Loramin more than I do, you're the one attacking him. By your own posts in this thread, it seems to be acceptable to defend yourself, so you're clearly the one in the wrong here.

Congratulations! You have united mortal enemies in their quest to fix your constant misinformation on the P99 forums. Neat, huh?

Now the wiki page will be a mess. It is the other viewers of the wiki who will suffer, not me.

You have already proven that you are not making any arguments here in good faith. Any authority you claim to have on the subject is not recognized, and for the time being, any feedback you might have on the subject will be disregarded.

Impersonating someone else by creating new pages in their name 8 times is excessive and suspension seems well deserved.

Zuranthium

07-03-2025, 03:15 PM

The previous version was much clearer.

No it wasn't. The previous version banned Soulfire click while allowing any amount of potions, which is completely nonsensical, and had things that meant nothing and were worded confusingly. Plus it already stated that things were guidelines and players should "use their judgement".

DeathsSilkyMist

07-03-2025, 03:22 PM

I believe I've conducted my actions impartially. If you disagree, I strongly encourage you to get another wiki admin involved, and if they disagree with my ruling I will not only unsuspend you, I will publicly apologize.

However, I don't think that's going to happen, because I think any wiki admin seeing Player A create a page in Player B's name ... eight times ... all over a forum fight, while adding nothing of value to the wiki ... is going to agree that Player A is abusing the wiki and needs a break.

How can you be impartial when you've been attacking me non-stop for weeks? What a silly idea.

You of all people should understand how a fork works. Create a fork of the solo artist challenge, Zuranthium makes his changes, and requests a merge back into main.

That does create wiki value, as Zuranthium has plenty of time to edit his own page without changing the existing page with half-formed changes. Pretending file versioning is abuse is absurd.

But please, keep pretending that you are impartial, while you literally posted an off-topic character attack as your first post in a thread:

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3742450&postcount=45

loramin

07-03-2025, 03:31 PM

DeathsSilkyMist

07-03-2025, 03:38 PM

Yes, I absolutely understand what a fork is.

Now, if you made a fork of another programmer's work, and then started submitting that fork to NPM or PyPi (or whatever library index), in that other programmer's name ... despite an identical copy of the code already existing under another name ... and did so eight times, against the objection of that programmer (all because you had a tiff on Slashdot) ... how do you think the maintainers would handle it?

In a real work environment the programmer submitting bad code (Zur) wouldn't be allowed to submit directly in to main over and over again while ignoring the code reviews because they had an argument with another programmer. Bad example.