Myconid Spore King - Monk Solo

[loramin]

In a real work environment the programmer submitting bad code (Zur) wouldn't be allowed to submit directly in to main over and over again while ignoring the code reviews because they had an argument with another programmer. Bad example.

You don't get to change the rules (or metaphor) just because you're losing a fight. And really, as I keep trying to impress, you need to stop fighting all together.

[bcbrown]

The changes he made to the solo challenge wiki are vague and worse than the previous page. He refuses to take any feedback. I am not sure why he has the authority to override all changes and refuse to listen. Rules for thee but not for me.

You should create DSM's version of the solo challenge with the changes you'd like to make. Here, I'll go create that for you.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Timeline:

YOU created a page named "Zuranthium's solo artist challenge"
Zuranthium objects to you creating content in their name and tries to remove it.
YOU restore the page that Zuranthium themselves removed.
Repeat 7 more times.

I think we all understand what happened here and why you were wiki suspended.

Impersonating someone else by creating new pages in their name 8 times is excessive and suspension seems well deserved.

The edit history shows who created the file. No where in the wiki page did it say "created by Zuranthium". Nor did I claim he made the page. I said I made it for him. You can check the post history. It was just a copy of the solo artist challenge page with his modifiations, nothing else. You are just trolling with your false definition of impersonation.

The reality is Zuranthium deleted my attempt to diffuse the situation 8 times, and refused to take down his vague language he introduced into the wiki. He is the one refusing to accept any critisism.

You don't get to change the rules (or metaphor) just because you're losing a fight. And really, as I keep trying to impress, you need to stop fighting all together.

Indeed. You should apply that rule equally, instead of letting Zuranthium do the same thing. Suspending Zuranthium and Samoht as well would be a lot more impartial.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

You should create DSM's version of the solo challenge with the changes you'd like to make. Here, I'll go create that for you.

Feel free! I wasn't the one editing the solo artist challenge page with new rules the community didn't agree to. File versioning isn't an issue.

[Samoht]

The edit history shows who created the file. No where in the wiki page did it say "created by Zuranthium". Nor did I claim he made the page. I said I made it for him. You can check the post history. It was just a copy of the solo artist challenge page with his modifiations, nothing else. You are just trolling with your false definition of impersonation.

The reality is Zuranthium deleted my attempt to diffuse the situation 8 times, and refused to take down his vague language he introduced into the wiki. He is the one refusing to accept any critisism.

So you admit to creating the page in someone else's name. Now understand that they did not want that and tried to delete it.

Then you recreated it. Seven more times. You admitted that, too. Wowza.

Because you still insist that you have rights to create content with someone else's name on it. But in reality, you have no rights to impersonate someone else on the wiki.

Impersonating someone else by creating new pages in their name 8 times is excessive and suspension seems well deserved.

[Samoht]

Feel free! I wasn't the one editing the solo artist challenge page with new rules the community didn't agree to. File versioning isn't an issue.

He did edit the other page. Several times. We can see that he's lying about that, too.

https://wiki.project1999.com/index.php?title=Solo_Artist_Challenge&action=history

[DeathsSilkyMist]

He did edit the other page. Several times. We can see that he's lying about that, too.

https://wiki.project1999.com/index.php?title=Solo_Artist_Challenge&action=history

I didn't lie. What are you talking about? I undid the changes that were vague. I didn't add anything new.

Both yourself and Zur were editing the page due to the argument in this thread, which is a bad headspace to be in.

[Samoht]

I wasn't the one editing the solo artist challenge page

I didn't add anything new.

Ohhhh so you did edit the page, you just didn't add anything new. Can't lie your way out of this one so you have to move the goal posts.

[Zuranthium]

He refuses to take any feedback.

Indeed that's what you've been doing this entire time. Nobody agrees with you, but you keep spamming the same wrong things nonstop. You don't even agree with yourself, but nothing will stop your flatearther mentality, you would rather stay in a burning building than admit there is a fire.

Your feedback was already incorporated, but that's not what you care about anyway. You're only interested in your own harebrained ranting, not the community or reasoning. Everyone else is only evil and wrong at all times unless they adopt your exact position.

[loramin]

Indeed. You should apply that rule equally, instead of letting Zuranthium do the same thing. Suspending Zuranthium and Samoht as well would be a lot more impartial.

No one has contacted me about Zura or Sam abusing the wiki. If someone did, I would investigate it (impartially). If I found it was warranted, I would apply an appropriate penalty to them as well.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Indeed that's what you've been doing this entire time. Nobody agrees with you, but you keep spamming the same wrong things nonstop. You don't even agree with yourself, but nothing will stop your flatearther mentality, you would rather stay in a burning building than admit there is a fire.

Your feedback was already incorporated, but that's not what you care about anyway. You're only interested in your own harebrained ranting, not the community or reasoning. Everyone else is only evil and wrong at all times unless they adopt your exact position.

This is incorrect. Not everyone agrees with you. You have been trying to force your rules since page one, and decided to edit the wiki to win the argument. That is childish behavior, and hurts the wiki.

I tried to compromise with file versioning. You simply cannot compromise.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

No one has contacted me about Zura or Sam abusing the wiki. If someone did, I would investigate it (impartially). If I found it was warranted, I would apply an appropriate penalty to them as well.

I believe they did abuse the wiki by editing the wiki to win the argument in this thread, rather than do it objectively. I disagreed with their changes, but they kept putting their changes back in without compromise.

[shovelquest]

No one has contacted me about Zura or Sam abusing the wiki. If someone did, I would investigate it (impartially). If I found it was warranted, I would apply an appropriate penalty to them as well.

You should really have no power to do any of that, after your expletive laden personal attacks in server chat.

[Samoht]

Not everyone agrees with you. You have been trying to force your rules since page one

And he was correct from page 1. The challenge was outdated (written pre-Velious) and included some glaring oversights.

You are not every one. If we're being honest, you're actually nobody.

You have already proven that you are not making any arguments here in good faith. Any authority you claim to have on the subject is not recognized, and for the time being, any feedback you might have on the subject will be disregarded.

That is childish behavior, and hurts the wiki.

No THIS is childish behavior that hurts the wiki:

https://wiki.project1999.com/index.php?title=Zuranthium%27s_solo_artist_challen ge&action=history

Impersonating someone else by creating new pages in their name 8 times is excessive and suspension seems well deserved.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

And he was correct from page 1. The challenge was outdated (written pre-Velious) and included some glaring oversights.

You are not every one. If we're being honest, you're actually nobody.

You have already proven that you are not making any arguments here in good faith. Any authority you claim to have on the subject is not recognized, and for the time being, any feedback you might have on the subject will be disregarded.



No THIS is childish behavior that hurts the wiki:

https://wiki.project1999.com/index.php?title=Zuranthium%27s_solo_artist_challen ge&action=history

Impersonating someone else by creating new pages in their name 8 times is excessive and suspension seems well deserved.

More trolling. This just hurts you.

Point of order, can someone please let me know how ad hominem attacks from DSM can hurt me? I feel fine...

I am glad you feel healthy!

[Samoht]

More trolling. This just hurts you.

Point of order, can someone please let me know how ad hominem attacks from DSM can hurt me? I feel fine...

[loramin]

I believe they did abuse the wiki by editing the wiki to win the argument in this thread, rather than do it objectively. I disagreed with their changes, but they kept putting their changes back in without compromise.

Looking at https://wiki.project1999.com/index.php?title=Solo_Artist_Challenge&action=history I see a bunch of passionate editors disagreeing, but no clear wiki abuse. I didn't wade through every edit though, so if someone wants to draw my attention to actual wiki abuse, I'll happily change my mind.

Otherwise, I think the best thing is to give that page a week to let everyone cool off. As others in this thread have noted, a fresh thread (not full of DSM fights) would be the ideal place to discuss this topic more dispassionately, and hopefully that can lead to some productive consensus about the best direction of the page.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Looking at https://wiki.project1999.com/index.php?title=Solo_Artist_Challenge&action=history I see a bunch of passionate editors disagreeing, but no clear wiki abuse. I didn't wade through every edit though, so if someone wants to draw my attention to actual wiki abuse, I'll happily change my mind.

Otherwise, I think the best thing is to give that page a week to let everyone cool off. As others in this thread have noted, a fresh thread (not full of DSM fights) would be the ideal place to discuss this topic more dispassionately, and hopefully that can lead to some productive consensus about the best direction of the page.

Thanks for looking into it. I would love to see the rule where adding a wiki page for file versioning purposes is wiki abuse.

[Samoht]

Looking at https://wiki.project1999.com/index.php?title=Solo_Artist_Challenge&action=history I see a bunch of passionate editors disagreeing, but no clear wiki abuse.

If you actually look closely, you'll see a few people trying to update the page for post-Velious content. They might not have immediately agreed on changes, but they recognize changes were necessary.

Then you'll see a third poster just indiscriminately flipping any changes made because he's butt hurt about being wrong.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

If you actually look closely, you'll see a few people trying to update the page for post-Velious content. They might not have immediately agreed on changes, but they recognize changes were necessary.

Then you'll see a third poster just indiscriminately flipping any changes made because he's butt hurt about being wrong.

Last time I checked you and Zur aren't the only people on the wiki. Your changes are poorly constructed, cause more confusion, and break the hall of fame page. I am not sure why you insist that your changes must be correct.

[Samoht]

Last time I checked you and Zur aren't the only people on the wiki. Your changes are poorly constructed, cause more confusion, and break the hall of fame page. I am not sure why you insist that your changes must be correct.

You have already proven that you are not making any arguments here in good faith. Any authority you claim to have on the subject is not recognized, and for the time being, any feedback you might have on the subject will be disregarded.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

You have already proven that you are not making any arguments here in good faith. Any authority you claim to have on the subject is not recognized, and for the time being, any feedback you might have on the subject will be disregarded.

More trolling. Please stop spamming the thread with lies.

[Samoht]

More trolling. Please stop spamming the thread with lies.

Where's the lie? I'm not the one who got suspended from the wiki for impersonating other posters.

Impersonating someone else by creating new pages in their name 8 times is excessive and suspension seems well deserved.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Where's the lie? I'm not the one who got suspended from the wiki for impersonating other posters.

Impersonating someone else by creating new pages in their name 8 times is excessive and suspension seems well deserved.

Keep trolling and lying. People can read the thread. I did not impersonate anyone, and the admin who suspended me has been personally attacking me in every thread for weeks.

[Samoht]

lying.

the admin who suspended me

Did you just admit to being suspended? Who's lying?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Did you just admit to being suspended? Who's lying?

I never said I wasn't suspended. Why lie about that too? Everybody can read the thread.

You are lying about the circumstances and facts around the suspension.

[Samoht]

I never said I wasn't suspended. Why lie about that too? Everybody can read the thread.

You are lying about the circumstances and facts around the suspension.

Did you make this page?

https://wiki.project1999.com/Zuranthium%27s_solo_artist_challenge

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Did you make this page?

https://wiki.project1999.com/Zuranthium%27s_solo_artist_challenge

Yes, and I said I made it for him. I did not say he made it. The page did not say "created by Zuranthium" anywhere. Nor did I put any changes in the document that weren't his and claim they were his. It was just a copy of the solo artist challenge page with his edits verbatim. There is no impersonation going on. It is just file versioning.

[Samoht]

Yes, and I said I made it for him.

Okay, so far you've admitted that you're suspended from the wiki.

You've also admitted that you created the troll page in someone else's name that they tried to have removed.

Now for the finale: Did you undo changes that they made to their own page that you "made for them" because you insisted that you knew better than they did what should go own their own page?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Okay, so far you've admitted that you're suspended from the wiki.

You've also admitted that you created the troll page in someone else's name that they tried to have removed.

Now for the finale: Did you undo changes that they made to their own page that you "made for them" because you insisted that you knew better than they did what should go own their own page?

I did not say I created the page to troll. You made that up. You are just lying again. File versioning is a reasonable compromise for yourself and Zuranthium to cool off from editing the wiki due to this thread.

You can easily say Zuranthium kept deleting my wiki page I made in good fath because he was unable to compromise.

[Samoht]

my wiki page

I'd say you're dodging the question, but I think this fixes it. It is YOUR wiki page, but you put someone else's name on it. Because you were impersonating them.

I'm glad we were able to work this out logically.

Impersonating someone else by creating new pages in their name 8 times is excessive and suspension seems well deserved.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

I'd say you're dodging the question, but I think this fixes it. It is YOUR wiki page, but you put someone else's name on it. Because you were impersonating them.

I'm glad we were able to work this out logically.

Impersonating someone else by creating new pages in their name 8 times is excessive and suspension seems well deserved.

This is still incorrect, and the post history still disproves it. Repeating the same lie about impersonation will get you nowhere.

You simply keep generating more troll posts, which only discredit yourself.

[Zuranthium]

You decided to edit the wiki to win the argument

The argument was already won. You just never realize it, and treat everything as a personal attack and space to spam nonstop, in an attempt to fix your broken ego.

The wiki was edited to properly reflect the factual tiers of achievement that players have produced and want to be recognized for, and to fix many inconsistencies and outdated info.

My own rules would be much different than what the page now says, but the page is not my exact rules. Something you still fail to comprehend.

Not everyone agrees with you.

You're the only one who disagrees, and you can't handle it. The wiki page is now better, and better reflects community opinion. Deal with it. You're just mad that you can't point to an outdated, incomplete, illogical page as another attempted strawman in your pathetic and endless ranting.

And nobody ever has everyone agreeing with them at all times. That's not how life works. But what is needed are individuals who can cull together different ideas and create better systems for the benefit of society. Something I am far better at than you.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

The argument was already won. You just never realize it, and treat everything as a personal attack and space to spam nonstop, in an attempt to fix your broken ego.

The wiki was edited to properly reflect the factual tiers of achievement that players have produced and want to be recognized for, and to fix many inconsistencies and outdated info.

My own rules would be much different than what the page now says, but the page is not my exact rules. Something you still fail to comprehend.



You're the only one who disagrees, and you can't handle it. The wiki page is now better, and better reflects community opinion. Deal with it. You're just mad that you can't point to an outdated, incomplete, illogical page as another attempted strawman in your pathetic and endless ranting.

And nobody ever has everyone agreeing with them at all times. That's not how life works. But what is needed are individuals who can cull together different ideas and create better systems for the benefit of society. Something I am far better at than you.

Claiming victory without merit is meaningless. Lying is silly. Please stop doing both.

[Samoht]

This is still incorrect, and the post history still disproves it. Repeating the same lie about impersonation will get you nowhere.

You simply keep generating more troll posts, which only discredit yourself.

Should we start over again? Are you suspended from the wiki?

Did you make this page?

https://wiki.project1999.com/Zuranth...tist_challenge

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Should we start over again? Are you suspended from the wiki?

Did you make this page?

https://wiki.project1999.com/Zuranth...tist_challenge

No. Your dishonesty and lying was clear enough the first time around. Thank you for providing evidence that you are simply a troll.

[Samoht]

No. Your dishonesty and lying was clear enough the first time around. Thank you for providing evidence that you are simply a troll.

Oh one of us is definitely lying, and it's not me. The page might be gone now, but we've all see the evidence that you created the troll page trying to impersonate someone else and that you restored it several times after they tried to remove it in protest.

Impersonating someone else by creating new pages in their name 8 times is excessive and suspension seems well deserved.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Oh one of us is definitely lying, and it's not me. The page might be gone now, but we've all see the evidence that you created the troll page trying to impersonate someone else and that you restored it several times after they tried to remove it in protest.

Impersonating someone else by creating new pages in their name 8 times is excessive and suspension seems well deserved.

The reader can decide who is more credible. The deck is heavily stacked against you due to your obvious attacks and troll posts. You are making my position stronger by doing this. It doesn't hurt my credibility when we keep this going. It just shows you are unwilling to stop trolling, and will do it again.

[shovelquest]

DSM can solo tank a whole dungeon.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

DSM can solo tank a whole dungeon.

Lol indeed.

Back on topic:

Reposting OP's epic video where he kills Fungi King solo with his monk, no consumables:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wONdIYAofyQ

https://wiki.project1999.com/Solo_Artist_Challenge

It deserves the highest ranking of [S] when following the solo artist challenge wiki page. Please note the wiki page was changed after OP did his video, and the changes are still in dispute. [S+] did not exist as a rank previously.

[Samoht]

He’s probably going to go back to defacing the page as soon as the suspension lifts.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

as soon as the suspension lifts.

You mean after the page lock lifts. You can't edit it either.

You should be excited knowing that the page will get even better. The wiki is a collaborative effort, and that page is not exclusive to yourself and Zur.

Back on topic:

Reposting OP's epic video where he kills Fungi King solo with his monk, no consumables:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wONdIYAofyQ

https://wiki.project1999.com/Solo_Artist_Challenge

It deserves the highest ranking of [S] when following the solo artist challenge wiki page. Please note the wiki page was changed after OP did his video, and the changes are still in dispute. [S+] did not exist as a rank previously

[Samoht]

You mean after the page lock lifts. You can't edit it either.

You should be excited knowing that the page will get even better. The wiki is a collaborative effort, and that page is not excuslive to yourself and Zur.

Back on topic:

Reposting OP's epic video where he kills Fungi King solo with his monk, no consumables:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wONdIYAofyQ

https://wiki.project1999.com/Solo_Artist_Challenge

It deserves the highest ranking of [S] when following the solo artist challenge wiki page. Please note the wiki page was changed after OP did his video, and the changes are still in dispute. [S+] did not exist as a rank previously

I hope there are escalating punishments for people who repeatedly undo other people’s work or impersonate other people on the wiki.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

I hope there are escalating punishments for people who repeatedly undo other people’s work

It sounds like you are the one planning on defacing my efforts. You'll find out I am sure!

Back on topic:

Reposting OP's epic video where he kills Fungi King solo with his monk, no consumables:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wONdIYAofyQ

https://wiki.project1999.com/Solo_Artist_Challenge

It deserves the highest ranking of [S] when following the solo artist challenge wiki page. Please note the wiki page was changed after OP did his video, and the changes are still in dispute. [S+] did not exist as a rank previously.

[Duik]

Wiki Devs: Please add the ability of OP to delete the whole thread.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Wiki Devs: Please add the ability of OP to delete the whole thread.


That is a good feature request! I agree.

Back on topic:

Reposting OP's epic video where he kills Fungi King solo with his monk, no consumables:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wONdIYAofyQ

https://wiki.project1999.com/Solo_Artist_Challenge

It deserves the highest ranking of [S] when following the solo artist challenge wiki page. Please note the wiki page was changed after OP did his video, and the changes are still in dispute. [S+] did not exist as a rank previously

[Duik]

OMG.
I wonder if saying the same thing over and over and over again will make people able to understand.
Imma try it anyways.
That's what a hero does to protect the innocent and thwart the trollzez.

[Snaggles]

As long as variables are consistent people can compare themselves with the OP. Go try to kill the king using a similar setup.

Or just posture on the forums about theoretical scenarios. Thats very EQ as well.

PS: I didn’t read the last 50 pages so probably missed the context.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

As long as variables are consistent people can compare themselves with the OP. Go try to kill the king using a similar setup.

Or just posture on the forums about theoretical scenarios. Thats very EQ as well.

PS: I didn’t read the last 50 pages so probably missed the context.

You are correct. A few posters kept trying to diminish OP's accomplishments, and then they started trolling non-stop when posters like myself disagreed with their posts and ideas.

I will note those posters who tried to diminish OP have not soloed Fungi King to my knowledge. The hardest mob shown was a cliff golem on a druid.
Back on topic:

Reposting OP's epic video where he kills Fungi King solo with his monk, no consumables:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wONdIYAofyQ

https://wiki.project1999.com/Solo_Artist_Challenge

It deserves the highest ranking of [S] when following the solo artist challenge wiki page. Please note the wiki page was changed after OP did his video, and the changes are still in dispute. [S+] did not exist as a rank previously.

[Zuranthium]

He’s probably going to go back to defacing the page as soon as the suspension lifts.

I guess if he wants to be banned. Nobody will be sad to see that happen.

Lots of previously undocumented solo challenges have now been categorized with the updated tier system and added to the wiki, with a bunch of videos for people to check out.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

I guess if he wants to be banned.
Editing your wiki changes is not a bannable offense. You do not have special treatment to edit the wiki and have it permanently locked.

Samoht modified the wiki rankings explicitly to troll OP by lowering the rank of his video. No value is added to the solo artist challenge wiki when trolls modify the rankings simply to devalue the accomplishments of other people participating in the solo artist challenge.

Wiki has been updated with new rating for melees using raid buffs (https://wiki.project1999.com/Solo_Artist_Challenge)

OP now deserves a B

He should have been suspended for this, as this behavior will just discourage other people from doing the challenge. Rankings are meaningless when they get changed every time a new video is posted. Your current edits are poorly written and vague. I suspect they were done to lessen OP's accomplishments as well.

Your edits do nothing other than make it more difficult to determine rank. They will be edited when the page is editable again.

[Zuranthium]

Nobody agrees with you. The page is now more informative, more representative, more professional, less vague, and doesn't contradict itself. If you again try to vandalize the wiki against what the community has shown they want, you will be punished.

A few posters kept trying to diminish OP's accomplishments, and then they started trolling non-stop

No, many people correctly pointed out that receiving outside buffs is not a 100% solo.

If someone feels "diminished" by that fact, it's their own problem. It does not change the reality of the gameplay.

The troll of the thread is you, spamming endlessly after Stryker told you multiple times he doesn't want you posting here and doesn't want to be associated with you. And then trying to disrupt the wiki and cling onto a bad, outdated page that in fact diminished Stryker's accomplishment (and the accomplishments of tons of other people), since it had no consideration for soloing without consumables.

WarpathEQ's post early in the thread is how most everyone feels:

I'm not trying to demerit your accomplishment, this was not a personal attack

My personal viewpoint is that calling something solo that requires multiple players to accomplish is simply mis-labeling.

Was it challenging? Yes
Was it an accomplishment? Yes
Was it possibly the first time done in these conditions on P99? Maybe, although unlikely given the amount of geared monks out there that farm fungis
Was it done solo? Nope

There shouldn't have been any need for the insanity that happened afterwards, but as usual DSM did his thing of failing to understand a conversation/concept, and failed to control his broken ego, rabidly posting the same wrong bullshit over and over, in hopes that spamming would somehow legitimatize him (it only has the opposite effect, which he still doesn't realize).

Regarding if this was the first time a Monk has killed spore king in these conditions, it isn't. Maybe the first public video though? So that's good to have.

BTW, if people want to kill the spore king without consumables and only utilizing their own characters, there are easier and "more solo" ways to do it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Mz15db1Pjg. Stryker's kill requires another player to log on his other characters and buff him, but here is a way to do it just by yourself.

[Duik]

You guys are fucking hilarious.

One guy does "a thing" posts a video. Good times.

Changes up *something* and does it (objectively) better. Makes video. Hides nothing. Buffs pots cluckies etc all shown in video.


Lighten the fuck up all of you.

Leaving cluckies in. BE KAUSE!

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Stryker told you multiple times he doesn't want you posting here and doesn't want to be associated with you.


Stryker85 never said this about me anywhere in the thread. You can check the post history.

Stryker85 explicitly said who he thought the trolls were. He was talking about posters like yourself and Samoht:

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3744395&postcount=76


If the trolls could please refrain from expressing your unwanted opinions about this not being "solo enough" for your standards, that would be great. Not holding my breath though.


https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3745485&postcount=185

Let me help you with that, their opinion isn't legitimate, and it has nothing to do with the wiki. Their standards for these attempts are solo with self buffs only, which is not even remotely possible. Or as another moron recommended, self buffs with 300+ wort charges, which would be completely idiotic and require zero skill. These people are not arguing in good faith, they are trying to detract from an accomplishment that they clearly know NOTHING about, based on their moronic standards and recommendations.

Stryker85 thanked me for defending him from posters like yourself and Samoht:

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3745471&postcount=171

Yall need to let it go. It's really not that important. I appreciate you coming to my defense DeathsSilkyMist, but I'm really not worried about these idiots at all, and you shouldn't be either.

[loramin]

OMG.
I wonder if saying the same thing over and over and over again will make people able to understand.

It helps him win over the imaginary arena audience in his head.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

It helps him win over the imaginary arena audience in his head.

Loramin repeats the same lie yet again, and does the very thing he accuses me of. When will you act unbiased and suspend Samoht for editing the solo challenge wiki page with the explicit purpose of diminishing OP's accomplishment?

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3745626&postcount=307

Yeah, it moved him from a B- on the new scale to a B.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3745618&postcount=300

Wiki has been updated with new rating for melees using raid buffs (https://wiki.project1999.com/Solo_Artist_Challenge)

OP now deserves a B

What value is added to the wiki when another user changes a ranking scale simply to troll? The ranking scale has no meaning if it gets changed every time a new solo challenge video is posted.

This behavior just discourages other users from the solo artist challenge and these forums, including OP.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3744395&postcount=76

I just finished the No Charge Kill video... this place is starting to discourage me from posting it though. This thread has already been derailed by trolls pretty hard. Perhaps I should start a new thread with all 3 videos linked from the start, so people don't have to go sifting through 8 pages of bullshit to find them.

If the trolls could please refrain from expressing your unwanted opinions about this not being "solo enough" for your standards, that would be great. Not holding my breath though. :rolleyes:

Back on topic:

Reposting OP's epic video where he kills Fungi King solo with his monk, no consumables:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wONdIYAofyQ

https://wiki.project1999.com/Solo_Artist_Challenge

It deserves the highest ranking of [S] when following the solo artist challenge wiki page. Please note the wiki page was changed after OP did his video, and the changes are still in dispute. [S+] did not exist as a rank previously.

[vales]

Back on topic:
I know you get dogpiled a lot and I have nothing against you personally but pretending like you care about this thread doesn't make you seem like a better person

you, like others, need the last word to sate your ego and don't actually care at all about the person who made the thread because that is more important

it's fine to just disagree and leave replies unanswered, you all

[shovelquest]

It helps him win over the imaginary arena audience in his head.

I am not imaginary!

I made DSM t shirts at https://www.customink.com and am wearing them rn.

GO TEAM DSM!

[shovelquest]

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[DeathsSilkyMist]

I know you get dogpiled a lot and I have nothing against you personally but pretending like you care about this thread doesn't make you seem like a better person

you, like others, need the last word to sate your ego and don't actually care at all about the person who made the thread because that is more important

it's fine to just disagree and leave replies unanswered, you all

I have nothing personal against you either. I don't hold grudges against anyone here. I would still play P99 with everyone in this thread. Thank you for acknowledging the reality that I do get dogpiled.

I do care about this thread and the forum. No pretending.

The issue is with people posting obvious lies as their last post in an attempt to discredit posters they dislike in future threads. Especially during a dogpile, when the last 5-10 replies are the same lies.

This behavior needs to be called out, or every thread will be like this one. I don't want people to be driven away from P99 and/or the forums. The trolls do this by showing people what happens if they post here. OP posts an awesome video, and they cannot bring themselves to say even one positive thing. They have to complain and belittle. They even go so far as to modify the wiki to give OP a lower rank.

OP himself was discouraged by the trolls, as I showed here. Do we want the forums to drive people like OP away?

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3746498&postcount=554

[Stryker85]

Nobody agrees with you. The page is now more informative, more representative, more professional, less vague, and doesn't contradict itself. If you again try to vandalize the wiki against what the community has shown they want, you will be punished.

Wrong, actually, from what I can tell the majority of people that have frequented this thread actually do side with DSM, including myself. Changing the wiki to suit your own vision and unreasonable expectations does nothing but ruin the legacy of the people that have achieved great things under those already predefined conditions.


No, many people correctly pointed out that receiving outside buffs is not a 100% solo.

By "many people" you mean you, Samoht, and this Warpath guy. 3 jealous idiots that still don't understand that diminishing this kill because I was buffed is POINTLESS when its completely impossible to do without buffs (as a melee) in the first place. There is a reason that melee only are allowed outside buffs, because they are already at a severe disadvantage.


The troll of the thread is you, spamming endlessly after Stryker told you multiple times he doesn't want you posting here and doesn't want to be associated with you.

I literally never said any of that. Way to just make up more bullshit to suit your narrative though. Kinda tells you everything you need to know about this person.


Regarding if this was the first time a Monk has killed spore king in these conditions, it isn't. Maybe the first public video though? So that's good to have.

Woooow talk about BULLSHIT. There you go again just making up more shit to suit your narrative. It most definitely has NOT been solo'd by a monk in this fashion before. I would love to see any remote shred of evidence that this is true. How about a name? Let's start there.


BTW, if people want to kill the spore king without consumables and only utilizing their own characters, there are easier and "more solo" ways to do it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Mz15db1Pjg. Stryker's kill requires another player to log on his other characters and buff him, but here is a way to do it just by yourself.

The fact that you are trying to claim this kill is more "solo" than mine is genuinely hilarious. The dude had to swap to a completely different character and class for the pull / kill. So let me get this straight. You're trying to tell me you think that using more than 1 character and class to kill something still counts as "solo", but a melee using anything but self buffs isn't? I can't tell if you're really just that stupid, or just that envious and petty.

[shovelquest]

https://i.imgur.com/Bl8HcGT.png

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Wrong, actually, from what I can tell the majority of people that have frequented this thread actually do side with DSM, including myself. Changing the wiki to suit your own vision and unreasonable expectations does nothing but ruin the legacy of the people that have achieved great things under those already predefined conditions.


By "many people" you mean you, Samoht, and this Warpath guy. 3 jealous idiots that still don't understand that diminishing this kill because I was buffed is POINTLESS when its completely impossible to do without buffs (as a melee) in the first place. There is a reason that melee only are allowed outside buffs, because they are already at a severe disadvantage.


I literally never said any of that. Way to just make up more bullshit to suit your narrative though. Kinda tells you everything you need to know about this person.


Woooow talk about BULLSHIT. There you go again just making up more shit to suit your narrative. It most definitely has NOT been solo'd by a monk in this fashion before. I would love to see any remote shred of evidence that this is true. How about a name? Let's start there.


The fact that you are trying to claim this kill is more "solo" than mine is genuinely hilarious. The dude had to swap to a completely different character and class for the pull / kill. So let me get this straight. You're trying to tell me you think that using more than 1 character and class to kill something still counts as "solo", but a melee using anything but self buffs isn't? I can't tell if you're really just that stupid, or just that envious and petty.

Very well said. His link to that Druid/Enchanter video didn't make any sense to me either. I have no idea what point he was trying to make with that.

[Zuranthium]

By "many people" you mean you, Samoht, and this Warpath guy. 3 jealous idiots that still don't understand that diminishing this kill because I was buffed is POINTLESS when its completely impossible to do without buffs (as a melee) in the first place.

It's far more than us 3 and nobody is jealous. That is your own projection. You continue to incorrectly think anyone here is "diminishing" the kill. The only thing that diminished what you were trying to do is the old wiki page, as there was no tier difference between using consumables or not. According to what you're trying to say, if you continue to think that way, then your own video is not a relevant achievement.

It's very likely possible to do without buffs. It was explained what would need to be done and you ignored the discussion.

Changing the wiki to suit your own vision and unreasonable expectations does nothing but ruin the legacy of the people that have achieved great things under those already predefined conditions.

It's not my own rules and it's not unreasonable expectations. It's literally how the game is played and what has already been done by many people.

Not changing the wiki is what would result in the legacies of many players being ruined, as their accomplishments would not be recognized. The achievements of people who submitted under the outdated, contradictory tier split is preserved regardless and not going anywhere. There weren't many who bothered submitting in the first place, and there were ZERO melee players who submitted themselves for the top ranks of the challenge.

There is a reason that melee only are allowed outside buffs, because they are already at a severe disadvantage.

It's the inherent nature of the game that classes have different levels of soloing capability. The challenge has never been and never will be equal between each class. What's relevant is the ceiling that each class can achieve SOLO. Doing something that's easy for an Enchanter can still be relatively impressive when done with a weak solo class.

Monks are NOT at a severe disadvantage compared to all casters. Clerics and Wizards can't solo shit without using the restricted clickies, Mages are very restricted in what they can pull (and with chain pet aggro being broken for the past years on p99, they are extremely restricted), Druids are inferior anywhere they can't charm.

I literally never said any of that.

You did. "I don't want you defending me, you should let it go"

It most definitely has NOT been solo'd by a monk in this fashion before.

Yes it has. Already happened quite some time ago on Red - a server that does not have item recharging and made it so people weren't regularly trying to use that stuff in the first place.

The dude had to swap to a completely different character and class for the pull / kill

You require ANOTHER PLAYER and MULTIPLE OTHER CLASSES BUFFING YOU in order to complete the kill.

His kill required ONE PLAYER ONLY.

What you did is still considered a "better tier" in terms of the challenge page (see, it's not my exact rules) but in terms of looking at what a SINGLE player could accomplish on their own in a play session, he factually did it by himself only. You did not.

[Stryker85]

It's far more than us 3 and nobody is jealous. That is your own projection.
Oh really? Please name them, if it is more then 3, its definitely not more than the amount of people that have come here praising the kill rather than trying to dispute that it was solo.


It's very likely possible to do without buffs. It was explained what would need to be done and you ignored the discussion.

If I missed this earlier in the thread, its because I tuned out while y'all were pointing the finger back and forth at who attacked who first for 20+ pages. Please do enlighten me on how you expect ANY CLASS (much less a melee class for that matter), to solo this without any outside buffs or consumable charges. It simply cannot be done, period.


It's not my own rules and it's not unreasonable expectations. It's literally how the game is played and what has already been done by many people.

This might be the most ridiculous thing I've heard in this whole thread. It is 100% your own rules as you are the one that changed the wiki according to your own standards. The reason why your standards are unreasonable is because it makes the assumption that it is possible under higher standards (without buffs), when it most certainly is not. If you want to add another tier that is without consumables - fine. No one is arguing against that, but changing the wiki from the previous rule set which allowed melee to compete for the most difficult kills because you think "its literally how the game is played" is fucking ridiculous. Are you honestly trying to sit here and tell us that no body plays the game with outside buffs? Any time ANYONE goes to try to solo a camp, they're going to try to get outside buffs to make things safer, more efficient, or even possible at all. That is just common sense. The fact that you are trying to argue otherwise just proves how disingenuous your argument is in the first place.


It's the inherent nature of the game that classes have different levels of soloing capability. The challenge has never been and never will be equal between each class. What's relevant is the ceiling that each class can achieve SOLO. Doing something that's easy for an Enchanter can still be relatively impressive when done with a weak solo class.

See this is you trying to force your opinion on the matter again. You are the one claiming that the only thing relevant is the ceiling that each class can achieve by your definition of "solo". I disagree with that completely. I think that there's a lot of other factors that make kills like this very relevant, especially under conditions that are extremely difficult (no worts, reaper, puppet strings, slowstone amber, etc) and has never been done before. Having outside buffs does not make this kill less relevant, it would only do so if it were possible to do with just self buffs, which it's not.


You did. "I don't want you defending me, you should let it go"

Here you go being a straight up disingenuous liar again. You act like we can't just read back through the thread and quote your words verbatim. You said:
The troll of the thread is you, spamming endlessly after Stryker told you multiple times he doesn't want you posting here and doesn't want to be associated with you.

That is not even remotely close to what I actually said, which was:
Yall need to let it go. It's really not that important. I appreciate you coming to my defense DeathsSilkyMist, but I'm really not worried about these idiots at all, and you shouldn't be either.
Way to lie and try to twist things to suit your own narrative again though. We can all see the kind of person you are.


Yes it has. Already happened quite some time ago on Red - a server that does not have item recharging and made it so people weren't regularly trying to use that stuff in the first place.

Again here you go making up ABSOLUTE BULLSHIT. I've known plenty of people that played on Red over the years. How about a name? How about literally any fucking shred of evidence what-so-ever?


You require ANOTHER PLAYER and MULTIPLE OTHER CLASSES BUFFING YOU in order to complete the kill.

His kill required ONE PLAYER ONLY.

What you did is still considered a "better tier" in terms of the challenge page (see, it's not my exact rules) but in terms of looking at what a SINGLE player could accomplish on their own in a play session, he factually did it by himself only. You did not.
You act like the other people buffing me are there assisting me with the kill. They are buffing MY CHARACTER. Their buffs make MY CHARACTER stronger, but guess what - its still just MY CHARACTER on the encounter log. I was the only person being attacked, taking damage, dealing damage, pulling, etc. You trying to argue against this just proves how envious and petty you are. I'm convinced it has to be that, because no one can be this stupid. Trying to act like people don't play this game with outside buffs is completely and utterly ridiculous, especially when the kill in question wouldn't even be remotely possible otherwise.

[shovelquest]

https://i.imgur.com/dy6VkZz.gif

[Zuranthium]

Oh really? Please name them, if it is more then 3, its definitely not more than the amount of people that have come here praising the kill

Shovelquest and Cd both did in this thread alone. People praising the kill doesn't mean they agree with flawed rulesets or think it wouldn't be more impressive to do without outside buffs.

You've created a false equivalency in your head and are failing to have any degree of objectivity or critical analysis. Right now you think anyone who doesn't treat you like a god walking on water is out to get you and must be jealous. Fix that ridiculous mindset.

Please do enlighten me on how you expect a MONK to solo this without any outside buffs or consumable charges.

You need to have the self-heal breastplate first of all, which you don't (look at how long it took you to regen), and probably some other better gear. And an instant snare proc would help a lot. Look at how much damage you took at the start. With luck that part of the fight will happen faster/instantly and save a ton of HP.

This all can be calculated beforehand, for any fight. Go parse the average DPS you can do to spore king against the average DPS it does to you, and the maximum amount of regen time you can have before respawn happens.

It is 100% your own rules

No it isn't. It's the exact different ways people have completed challenges.

Why are you trying to deny the accomplishments of other people?

If the challenge page already had better tiers from the start you never would be saying any of this in the first place, it's so obvious. You're simply trying to parrot something that was written down on paper, by a single person, as if it's the infallible word of god. It's not, and many people over a decade ago were already saying the rules needed to be formulated better.

You are the one claiming that the only thing relevant is the ceiling that each class can achieve by your definition of "solo". I disagree with that completely.

I never said that's the only relevant thing, you again fail to comprehend. And you continue to ignore the fact that classes have different levels of solo capability. The solo artist challenge was NEVER remotely fair between different classes, and your statement that Monks are more disadvantaged than other casters on average is wrong.

That is not what I actually said

You asked them to stop posting. I'm not going to debate your useless semantics, you have no real point to make.

I've known plenty of people that played on Red over the years.

And? You don't know most players, much less what has happened at a singular spawn over the course of many years on a server you don't even play on. I was there myself to do the buffs on the alt account and they were the only other person in zone. That is the norm of farming on Red and account sharing was especially prevalent because we generally only put 1 character per account, thanks to the very short rez timers for pvp deaths that count down if you're still on the same account.

How about literally any fucking shred of evidence what-so-ever?

Where is the evidence of others who listed themselves long ago and didn't give any, that you pretend to care about and don't question at all? The whole challenge page says it's self-reported and no video/pic needed. Tons of players have done many different kills over the years and never posted about it anywhere, because they don't care and are just playing the game. And seeing as it was nothing special, ofc I wouldn't take a screenshot.

You act like the other people buffing me are there assisting me with the kill. They are buffing MY CHARACTER.

That. Doesn't. Matter. IT IS MORE THAN ONE PLAYER. The buffs exactly do assist with the kill, that's why you're getting them, because you need them. LMAO.

What do you not understand about the fact that you did NOT do the camp with one player!? Why are you trying to deny the achievements of people who CAN do the camp on their own??

You said at the start of the thread the whole reason for this was because you wanted to create a sustainable way to kill spore king. If that's your goal, then there are much easier ways to do it. You could pull with a snare class, log over to a shaman and slow the spore king, and then log on the Monk to DPS it down.

And like I already said, it doesn't affect the tier of the challenge page. I am talking about objectively playing the game and what is most efficient for being able to kill something, and what can factually be done with ONE player, rather than needing to depend on someone else logging on to help.

[Snaggles]

What do you not understand about the fact that you did NOT do the camp with one player!? Why are you trying to deny the achievements of people who CAN do the camp on their own??


Outside an enchanter, who is doing this without outside buffs and with less clickies than a BiS Abashi monk?

[Stryker85]

Right now you think anyone who doesn't treat you like a god walking on water is out to get you and must be jealous. Fix that ridiculous mindset.

Not at all, just calling you out on your bullshit.


You need to have the self-heal breastplate first of all, which you don't (look at how long it took you to regen), and probably some other better gear. And an instant snare proc would help a lot. Look at how much damage you took at the start. With luck that part of the fight will happen faster/instantly and save a ton of HP.

This all can be calculated beforehand, for any fight. Go parse the average DPS you can do to spore king against the average DPS it does to you, and the maximum amount of regen time you can have before respawn happens.

First of all, I am completely BiS in almost every slot except neck. And I actually do have the Kael Velious BP, I went back a few days later and tried again to see how much time it downtime it would save me, and the answer is about 3 minutes per cycle. You trying to use this to support your argument just demonstrates how COMPLETELY CLUELESS you are when it comes to knowing what it takes to solo that camp. Me taking damage on the pull and waiting for ensnare to land is totally irrelevant because I regened to full and engaged from 100% afterwards. Are you that stupid?

Velious BP has ZERO affect on one's ability to solo the king, all it does is give you more time for the pull and kill before frogs respawn. But time is not the limiting factor that prevents this from being done without outside buffs, its damage the king does. You cannot survive going toe to toe with the king even starting the fight at 100% health without Aegolism and haste at the very least. It MIGHT be possible without sham buffs, since Dain Hammer and Monk Leg clickies can replace a lot of that HP, and Avatar can replace the stats, but it's definitely not possible without Aego and haste.


If the challenge page already had better tiers from the start you never would be saying any of this in the first place, it's so obvious. You're simply trying to parrot something that was written down on paper, by a single person, as if it's the infallible word of god. It's not, and many people over a decade ago were already saying the rules needed to be formulated better.

Again this is you forcing your opinion on others. Don't try to tell me what I would say or think in hypothetical situations. The fact is the rules for the challenge were already pre-defined and followed for years. Who are you to say your version is better? Your arguments for changing things have been baseless and completely false thus far.


You asked them to stop posting. I'm not going to debate your useless semantics, you have no real point to make.

No, you're not going to debate it because you literally can't. We can all read the words you typed, dumbass.


And? You don't know most players, much less what has happened at a singular spawn over the course of many years on a server you don't even play on. I was there myself to do the buffs on the alt account and they were the only other person in zone. That is the norm of farming on Red and account sharing was especially prevalent because we generally only put 1 character per account, thanks to the very short rez timers for pvp deaths that count down if you're still on the same account.

Where is the evidence of others who listed themselves long ago and didn't give any, that you pretend to care about and don't question at all? The whole challenge page says it's self-reported and no video/pic needed. Tons of players have done many different kills over the years and never posted about it anywhere, because they don't care and are just playing the game. And seeing as it was nothing special, ofc I wouldn't take a screenshot.

3 posts now and we're all still waiting to hear a name for this fabled person who solo'd the spore king on red without clickies. How convenient that you have absolutely zero proof of literally any of the bullshit you claim. No one is asking for proof of the other kills because no one else has made outlandish claims.


That. Doesn't. Matter. IT IS MORE THAN ONE PLAYER. The buffs exactly do assist with the kill, that's why you're getting them, because you need them. LMAO.

What do you not understand about the fact that you did NOT do the camp with one player!? Why are you trying to deny the achievements of people who CAN do the camp on their own??

No one is denying the achievements of others here except for you and Samoht. Being the only person on the encounter log makes ALL the difference in the world. Do you think a GM is going to tell me I have to roll for the loot because others buffed me? No - because I killed the mob SOLO. Even to GM's and play nice rules it fits into the definition of a solo kill.


You said at the start of the thread the whole reason for this was because you wanted to create a sustainable way to kill spore king. If that's your goal, then there are much easier ways to do it. You could pull with a snare class, log over to a shaman and slow the spore king, and then log on the Monk to DPS it down.

And like I already said, it doesn't affect the tier of the challenge page. I am talking about objectively playing the game and what is most efficient for being able to kill something, and what can factually be done with ONE player, rather than needing to depend on someone else logging on to help.

If that's the case and it would be so easy, why don't you go and show us how it's done then? I'm dying to see your attempts. Oh wait... you won't because you can't, and that's why you're here trying to shit on my attempts. You keep mentioning this line about "objectively playing the game", but you don't realize that point just invalidates your own argument. People play this game with more than just self buffs, ESPECIALLY when they're soloing. Outside buffs make things more efficient, and often makes things possible that otherwise would not be, like soloing the spore king.

It's become quite clear by your bold faced lies and backwards ass logic you are not arguing in good faith. This is just your pathetic and insecure ass trying to lift yourself up by bringing others down. I'm done engaging with you. Everyone here sees through your petty bullshit. I'll be changing the wiki back every chance I get. Get fucked.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Not at all, just calling you out on your bullshit.


You've been doing a great job. Zuranthium is really discrediting himself here.

I still can't believe he misquoted you and then tried to argue his misquote was correct lol.

[shovelquest]

Once again I want to point out DSM has been consistently right in every single instance ITT.

His solo victory against such odds is tantamount to the incredible work in OP's videos.

[questever]

This can't be good for health

[Zuranthium]

First of all, I am completely BiS in every slot except neck.

Then where was your Spikecoat? Doesn't seem you have it.

Me taking damage on the pull and waiting for ensnare to land is totally irrelevant because I regened to full and engaged from 100% afterwards.

Velious BP has ZERO affect on one's ability to solo the king, all it does is give you more time for the pull and kill before frogs respawn. But time is not the limiting factor. You trying to use this to support your argument just demonstrates how COMPLETELY CLUELESS you are

Wrong. To attempt it without outside buffs you'll need time to land a Steal Strength proc, heal up, and then proc Avatar before the kill.

Thanks for showing how clueless YOU are.

the rules for the challenge were already pre-defined and followed for years

People have approached the challenges in ways aside from just those rules. Pretty much nobody was paying attention to that page anymore. And again, those rules were ALREADY in dispute and literally didn't even make sense to being with (being allowed to use as many potions as possible, when that goes against the entire reason for not allowing a Soulfire click). Stop ignoring that fact.

How convenient that you have absolutely zero proof.

You also have zero proof, absurdly acting like you know what every other player in this game has done. You're so freaking ignorant that you seriously think you're unquestionably the first person to do this, and that you've discovered some special thing, when you don't even play on a server where this stuff is actually incentivized.

And how convenient that a lack of videos on other solo kills in the past is not something you care about, as you so transparently feign interest in protecting the sanctity of solo challenges. The only thing you've shown you care about in this thread is people praising you.

If that's the case why don't you go and show us how it's done then? I'm dying to see your attempts. Oh wait... you won't because you can't

There's literally already a video linked that shows a faster way to do the kill. Your constant fallacies and inability to listen to the points being made is tiresome.

I could certainly mirror what you did if I cared to waste time playing this game more, but I don't. There's absolutely nothing mechanically special you did that any other decent player couldn't also do if they were given the character and a practice run. The effort of gearing the character is the main barrier of entry and that is not skill, it's mere busywork.

Being the only person on the encounter log makes ALL the difference in the world.

Being the only character on an encounter log has absolutely NOTHING to do with how many players were actually used in total, nor what is the more efficient way to do something.

You did not do the encounter using only the capabilities of a single player. FACT.

No one is denying the achievements of others here except for you and Samoht.

Still this pathetic mentality of acting like people are denying what you did. Get a grip. NOBODOY HAS DONE THAT. You simply don't recognize that what you did is not the be-all-end-all of solo challenges. Exactly as I said before, your behavior is to lash out at anyone who doesn't act like you are a god walking on water. You show zero interest in considering logic and reason or having a discussion, you simply want an ego boost for posting the thread.

YOU are denying the achievements of others, continuing to totally shit on the completely valid and actual SOLO PLAYER/CHARACTER ways that others have done challenges.

Your own attitude literally shits on your own video. The bullshit you're saying is equivalent to saying you achieved nothing, since the outdated wiki page said there's no difference in using consumables or not.

Funny how you also ignore all the other people who have said they don't consider it a true solo, trying to strawman your way into making it look like two people are ganging up on you. Why can't you accept that everyone in this thread has given you props for making a video of the kill, but the majority of the playerbase doesn't consider it to be a 100% solo kill.

[Duik]

Im not jealous but i am envious. Having the list of consumables/clickies on its own is an accomplishment. Now i know it does not count towards it being solo challenge material. Killing a badarse boss mob by himself (albiet with a AC/HP buff here and others), real world kindly peeps buff others un asked and without a need for donations.
Stryker done amazing. Everyone else just gets to shut the hell up.
I dont recall him asking everyone to kiss his arse, or worship him ever.
I cant believe he needs to come here after 20+ pages of faff and twaddle with various nerds insulting each other and rage editing the solo challenge page (page history is an hilarious read...) to defend his efforts.

Do better people. The real world is all kinds of fucked up, try to make PretendLand not so insufferable.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Still this pathetic mentality of acting like people are denying what you did. Get a grip. NOBODOY HAS DONE THAT.


He says this, and then contradicts himself in the same post:


Funny how you also ignore all the other people who have said they don't consider it a true solo.



Zuranthium is clearly a troll at this point. Zuranthium lost all credibility after he misquoted OP and then tried to argue OP didn't know his own quote as well as Zuranthium.


Pretty much nobody was paying attention to that page anymore.


Do not worry, the wiki page will be fixed regardless. It is strange that you want people to be banned for editing your changes on a page nobody pays attention to anyway.

[Stryker85]

Then where was your Spikecoat? Doesn't seem you have it.

I wear Dain Belt, which is better than Tunare belt for monks. Spikecoat is a 4 point DS that would make my DS 39 vs 35, completely irrelevant when it comes to negating the benefit you get from Aego and Haste.


Wrong. To attempt it without outside buffs you'll need time to land a Steal Strength proc, heal up, and then proc Avatar before the kill.

Thanks for showing how clueless YOU are.


ROFLMFAO, OK - this says all we need to know right here. You think a Steal Strength (27 pt strength debuff) is going to magically make the king tankable without buffs? Which one of us here has solo'd the king again? And which one of us is posturing on a forum trying to convince people of shit they know absolutely nothing about? Pretty sure that was me that solo'd him, which makes you the forum troll that doesn't know shit about shit. But I'M the clueless one here? LOL OK. Everyone here should know by this statement what a complete and utter fucking newb you are. Steal Stength the Spore King lmfao, that's rich.


People have approached the challenges in ways aside from just those rules. Pretty much nobody was paying attention to that page anymore. And again, those rules were ALREADY in dispute and literally didn't even make sense to being with (being allowed to use as many potions as possible, when that goes against the entire reason for not allowing a Soulfire click). Stop ignoring that fact.


Again, this is just you forcing your opinion on others. Who says nobody was paying attention to that page anymore? How do you know what pages are frequented or how often?? You don't. And who was "disputing" those rules besides you and the other 2 trolls in this thread that have never said shit until someone posted something they can't do themselves?


You also have zero proof, absurdly acting like you know what every other player in this game has done. You're so freaking ignorant that you seriously think you're unquestionably the first person to do this, and that you've discovered some special thing, when you don't even play on a server where this stuff is actually incentivized.

And how convenient that a lack of videos on other solo kills in the past is not something you care about, as you so transparently feign interest in protecting the sanctity of solo challenges. The only thing you've shown you care about in this thread is people praising you.

The burden to bare proof falls on the person making the outlandish claims. You are soo full of shit you can't even say a name! LOL we all see through your shit dude - you're not fooling anyone with this.


There's literally already a video linked that shows a faster way to do the kill. Your constant fallacies and inability to listen to the points being made is tiresome.

Linking a video of someone using multiple characters to kill something is pretty irrelevant in a conversation about SOLOing the spore king with a single toon. Their video and method is great, and impressive, but it has nothing to do with this method, and referencing it is pointless.


I could certainly mirror what you did if I cared to waste time playing this game more, but I don't. There's absolutely nothing mechanically special you did that any other decent player couldn't also do if they were given the character and a practice run. The effort of gearing the character is the main barrier of entry and that is not skill, it's mere busywork.

Yeah it's only the 5+ years of gearing a single character in a guild with 500 other people bidding against you. Pure busy work, right? The people that spend years getting their characters full BiS clearly have no more skill than the average Joe in the EC tunnel right? Playing a character at the highest level for so long surely cannot translate into skill that other's might not have, right? This is just more copium from you.


Being the only character on an encounter log has absolutely NOTHING to do with how many players were actually used in total, nor what is the more efficient way to do something.

You did not do the encounter using only the capabilities of a single player. FACT.

Mmmm actually, yes I did. I am a single player. I was the only person that got agro, pulled, took damage, and dealt damage. The buffs didn't give me extra abilities that my class doesn't have otherwise. I didn't use anything that monk's can't use, including buffs. Again, do you think the GM's would make me roll for the fungi because other people buffed me an hour prior to the kill? No - because I solo'd it.


Still this pathetic mentality of acting like people are denying what you did. Get a grip. NOBODOY HAS DONE THAT.

Uhmm, what? You just spent 40+ pages denying what I did was solo. If anyone needs to get a grip here its you. You're fucking delusional.


Funny how you also ignore all the other people who have said they don't consider it a true solo, trying to strawman your way into making it look like two people are ganging up on you. Why can't you accept that everyone in this thread has given you props for making a video of the kill, but the majority of the playerbase doesn't consider it to be a 100% solo kill.

All the other people? You mean you, Samoht, and Warpath. The majority of people that have come here have not tried to dispute whether it was solo or not except for you 3 envious idiots.

Everyone here can see what a complete and total moron you are. You're actually just making it worse for yourself the more you drag this out. Every time you post you divulge a new detail demonstrating just how stupid you really are. Like claiming that Steal Strength makes the king soloable without buffs, lmfao. Pretty hilarious how you just throw shit out there like its a fact when you have literally ZERO experience what-so-ever doing this yourself. You are a sad little troll; its pathetic really. I've made my point, and you've done nothing but make an ass of yourself. I'm done arguing with you.

[Snaggles]

Zuranthium once again telling people how they aren’t playing well, yet never logging on to show what he has or what he can do.

At least he’s good at editing an EQ wiki, lol. I’m just glad we aren’t talking about offhand swapping a SoS for more dps.

Zuranthium is clearly a troll at this point (always was one). Zuranthium lost all credibility (never had any) after he misquoted OP and then tried to argue OP didn't know his own quote as well as Zuranthium.


A couple parenthetical edits.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Zuranthium once again telling people how they aren’t playing well, yet never logging on to show what he has or what he can do.

At least he’s good at editing an EQ wiki, lol. I’m just glad we aren’t talking about offhand swapping a SoS for more dps.

A couple parenthetical edits.

Lol no worries on the edits.

Zuranthium showed in this thread that he has a youtube channel. He could easily post videos of himself soloing Fungi King or doing that offhand swapping at any time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqNfDrTpG_Q

But Zuranthium probably never will.

Back on topic:

Reposting OP's epic video where he kills Fungi King solo with his monk, no consumables:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wONdIYAofyQ

https://wiki.project1999.com/Solo_Artist_Challenge

It deserves the highest ranking of [S] when following the solo artist challenge wiki page. Please note the wiki page was changed after OP did his video, and the changes are still in dispute. [S+] did not exist as a rank previously.

[Jimjam]

Zuranthium once again telling people how they aren’t playing well, yet never logging on to show what he has or what he can do.

At least he’s good at editing an EQ wiki, lol. I’m just glad we aren’t talking about offhand swapping a SoS for more dps.



A couple parenthetical edits.

I take Zu’s advice on competitive EQ, as like the game of love - the winning move is not to play.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

I take Zu’s advice on competitive EQ, as like the game of love - the winning move is not to play.

'And everywhere I go, people ask me
"Valentine, what's your recipe for love?"
My answer's always the same
Cook the hell out of it and slice it.'
- Electric Six

[Zuranthium]

I wear Dain Belt, which is better than Tunare belt for monks. Spikecoat is a 4 point DS, completely irrelevant

You don't wear the Tunare belt for the fight. You click it beforehand, and it gives armor in addition to the DS. That isn't irrelevant, nor is the DS for a close fight.

You think a Steal Strength (27 pt strength debuff) is going to magically make the king tankable without buffs?

You didn't use AVATAR, idiot, and if you are trying to do a challenge without outside buffs then you should also be starting the fight with Shielding pre-procced. The discussion here is not just about this fight either, it's about trying to calculate and achieve the absolute highest numbers of what a character can do. Every little thing matters.

The numbers need to be ran, but going on rough estimation the combo of Avatar/Spikecoat/Steal Strength/Shielding puts the fight within the realm of being worth looking into, especially considering you weren't maximizing your DPS at the start of the fight with fist swaps.

I’m just glad we aren’t talking about offhand swapping a SoS for more dps.

Abashi's delay is too low for that. If a Monk wants to maximize their DPS while leveling up though, then yes they should be swapping to that inbetween hits of their Herbalist Spade.

Linking a video of someone using multiple characters to kill something is pretty irrelevant in a conversation about SOLOing the spore king with a single toon.

YOU USED MULTIPLE PLAYERS AND 4 DIFFERENT CHARACTERS.

Once again, the FACT is that you did not achieve the kill BY YOURSELF. You needed another player to buff you, with multiple other characters.

A single person being able to do the kill by swapping to another of their own characters is ONE PLAYER, and the fastest way to do the kill is by using that method.

The buffs didn't give me extra abilities that my class doesn't have otherwise.

LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Then why did you get the buffs from all those other classes and need them to do the kill, if they are abilities your class "already has"??

What the actual fuck is wrong with you? This total lack of logic is unbelievable.

You are so full of shit you can't even say a name

WHAT name?? I don't save the names of all the thousands of different characters I've interacted with, particularly someone doing a routine farm of a camp that has been happening for ages. You're the one who is full of shit, being ignorant to what others have done in the game and thinking you're omniscient and have done something totally new.

Yeah it's only the 5+ years of gearing a single character in a guild with 500 other people bidding against you. Pure busy work, right?

That is exactly pure busy work, LOL. It does not take any relevant amount of skill to accrue DKP in this game and it has nothing to do with the mechanical skill of completing a solo challenge.

You're delusional, like a lot of PvE'rs in these kinds of games, thinking what you're doing is anything more than a rat race. It's a totally fabricated carrot on the stick, designed to you keep you hooked by forcing time to be spent on the repetitive grind of accruing more gear/levels, and requiring very little real skill, so that nearly anyone who wants to put the time in can achieve it.

There's a reason why actual competitive games don't have arbitrary barriers to entry like that. You don't need to spend 5 years getting the pieces to play Chess by playing candyland for 5 years beforehand. You don't need to spend 5 years unlocking units/characters/cards in Starcraft/League/MTG. You don't need to spend 5 years in the shallow end of a pool before being allowed to start swimming laps.

5 years spent on those games/athletics/arts is something where the individual is constantly engaged with purely increasing their skill, where significant depth of skill is required to achieve the next level, and where the individual is ranked purely by their skill, not by how long they've been doing extraneous time-wasting crap.

And that is exactly why I don't put more time into this dead-end game. There is no point in wasting my life on that. There's nothing intellectually or creatively stimulating about it, I've already seen all the sights and discovered all the possibilities. Using a small amount of free time to discuss what the game could be and how it played during classic is far more interesting than actually playing it.

All the other people? You mean you, Samoht, and Warpath. The majority of people that have come here have not tried to dispute whether it was solo or not

Half a dozen people in this thread alone have disputed it, and someone not outright disputing the definition of "solo" doesn't mean they think soloing with outside buffs is the most pure or impressive form possible.

You continue to create false equivalencies and can't stop sticking your head in the sand and using strawmans. It's truly pathetic that you think anyone who has a different standard (a more factual standard) is envious of you. Especially when these are all things that have been stated a LONG time before you ever made this thread. Nobody's opinion has anything to do with you. You just want everything to be about you, and for everyone to worship you. Probably because you're not getting much other real enjoyment out of the game, or elsewhere in life.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Zuranthium is still trolling. His long posts are not worth responding to.

This is because Zuranthium couldn't even admit he was wrong when he factually misquoted OP. Zuranthium had the audacity to tell OP he knew OP's quote better than OP. He will just keep doubling down regardless facts and evidence.

The wiki will still be fixed, as it is worse off now after Zuranthium modified it.

Back on topic:

Reposting OP's epic video where he kills Fungi King solo with his monk, no consumables:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wONdIYAofyQ

https://wiki.project1999.com/Solo_Artist_Challenge

It deserves the highest ranking of [S] when following the solo artist challenge wiki page. Please note the wiki page was changed after OP did his video, and the changes are still in dispute. [S+] did not exist as a rank previously.

[Samoht]

You can get 160 DEX from Avatar + FoS. Monks start with 85 DEX worst case if you are a Human. That means a naked Monk with Avatar + FoS has 235 DEX before gear. Monks want FoS + Avatar, so you will have those buffs in the endgame.

You can only get 50 STA from Riotous Health. 70 STA if you get Primal Essence, but that doesn't stack with Avatar. Monks will pick Avatar over Primal Essence every time.

You are correct that putting your starting stats into DEX does increase your chance of an earlier Avatar Proc for the initial proc. This benefit will be available after a corpse recovery or dispel as well.

Putting your starting stats into STA will give you a bit more wiggle room to swap out resist gear if needed without losing your capped STA, and an extra buff slot. You can use that extra buff slot for a DEX buff to get the earlier Avatar proc, and that DEX buff is better than the amount of starting stat points you get. Overall I'd say that makes STA better, unless you really want the initial Avatar proc edge after a corpse recovery/dispel.

Didn't want to call DSM out in the other thread because there's a high likelihood that he'd shit that one up too, but does he legitimately not know what VoG does?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Didn't want to call DSM out in the other thread because there's a high likelihood that he'd shit that one up too, but does he legitimately not know what VoG does?

Please stop being silly. This is offtopic and a different thread. I am sorry your troll about my DPS caclulator failed.

https://wiki.project1999.com/Visions_of_Grandeur

Feel free to read the wiki page!

Samoht probably assumed "endgame" only applied to raiding. If you are duoing with a Shaman, you won't have VoG, as a simple example. Yes, I know that VoG has an extra 25 DEX. It just doesn't really matter, since you have 245 DEX before gear with FoS + Avatar on a Human. A BiS Monk will have +10 DEX from Flayed Barbarian Skin Leggings, and a Min/Max Monk is probably going to be Iksar, who starts with 95 DEX base. So that would already cap DEX without VoG. VoG stacks with Avatar and FoS as well.

Back on topic:

Reposting OP's epic video where he kills Fungi King solo with his monk, no consumables:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wONdIYAofyQ

https://wiki.project1999.com/Solo_Artist_Challenge

It deserves the highest ranking of [S] when following the solo artist challenge wiki page. Please note the wiki page was changed after OP did his video, and the changes are still in dispute. [S+] did not exist as a rank previously.

[Stryker85]

You don't wear the Tunare belt for the fight. You click it beforehand, and it gives armor in addition to the DS. That isn't irrelevant, nor is the DS for a close fight.
No shit, and yes, 4 pt DS and 12 AC is irrelevant.


You didn't use AVATAR, idiot, and if you are trying to do a challenge without outside buffs then you should also be starting the fight with Shielding pre-procced. The discussion here is not just about this fight either, it's about trying to calculate and achieve the absolute highest numbers of what a character can do. Every little thing matters.

The numbers need to be ran, but going on rough estimation the combo of Avatar/Spikecoat/Steal Strength/Shielding puts the fight within the realm of being worth looking into, especially considering you weren't maximizing your DPS at the start of the fight with fist swaps.

Here you go again talking about shit that you have NO CLUE about. You have never solo’d the king, so what makes you think that these extremely minor things are going to add up to outweigh Aegolism and VoG haste? You have literally NOTHING to base that off of.

I have killed the king solo with and without avatar. It doesn’t make near enough of a difference to eliminate the need for other buffs. You even mentioning that preprocing shielding to make up the difference is LAUGHABLE and shows just how big of a fucking newb you are.


YOU USED MULTIPLE PLAYERS AND 4 DIFFERENT CHARACTERS.

Once again, the FACT is that you did not achieve the kill BY YOURSELF. You needed another player to buff you, with multiple other characters.

Wrong again, I did kill it by myself. No one else got agro. I was the only one to pull, take damage, deal damage, and killed the mob - SOLO. The fact that you think having outside buffs is the same as having other people with you healing, tanking. debuffing, and DPSing is just ridiculous.Again you seem to have no retort to the fact that this is in fact solo by the GMs definition and the play nice rules.


A single person being able to do the kill by swapping to another of their own characters is ONE PLAYER, and the fastest way to do the kill is by using that method.

That’s great, no one is debating that, yet you still don’t seem to understand that that has absolutely nothing to do with this conversation. I don’t give a damn if it’s “faster”. I chose this method because I wanted to do it with ONE character without the need to swap back and forth.


LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Then why did you get the buffs from all those other classes and need them to do the kill, if they are abilities your class "already has"??

What the actual fuck is wrong with you? This total lack of logic is unbelievable.

Once again you are just objectively wrong. No, buffs do not give me additional abilities that are not available to the monk class otherwise. Adding stats is not the same as adding abilities, moron. The only one with the flawed sense of logic here is you.

When someone that’s soloing a camp gets outside buffs, do you think the people that buffed the soloer are entitled to a roll on the loot? NO - they’re not! You know why? Because them buffing the person doesn’t automatically make them apart of the group or the kill, genius.


WHAT name?? I don't save the names of all the thousands of different characters I've interacted with, particularly someone doing a routine farm of a camp that has been happening for ages. You're the one who is full of shit, being ignorant to what others have done in the game and thinking you're omniscient and have done something totally new.

Ok everybody, we’re now on post #5 since he claimed to have buffed someone on red that has solo’d the spore king years ago, without charges, yet he still cannot come up with the name of this fabled soloer, nor any shred of evidence for his bullshit story.


That is exactly pure busy work, LOL. It does not take any relevant amount of skill to accrue DKP in this game and it has nothing to do with the mechanical skill of completing a solo challenge.

You're delusional, like a lot of PvE'rs in these kinds of games, thinking what you're doing is anything more than a rat race. It's a totally fabricated carrot on the stick, designed to you keep you hooked by forcing time to be spent on the repetitive grind of accruing more gear/levels, and requiring very little real skill, so that nearly anyone who wants to put the time in can achieve it.

LOL just busy work eh? Whatever you say, dude. Even with pretty much full BiS in nearly every slot, and even after developing a strat that doesn’t rely on RNG hardly at all (by snaring and regening to start the fight at 100%) it’s still JUST BARELY even possible WITH outside buffs. That’s not even mentioning me 2h toggling the Abashi for max DPS which is something that takes a metric fuckton of time and practice to master..


And that is exactly why I don't put more time into this dead-end game. There is no point in wasting my life on that. There's nothing intellectually or creatively stimulating about it, I've already seen all the sights and discovered all the possibilities. Using a small amount of free time to discuss what the game could be and how it played during classic is far more interesting than actually playing it.

And that is exactly why no one here takes anything you say seriously. You’re just a pathetic troll screaming from the sidelines about how you could do it better, or how it’s already been done before in more impressive fashion. It’s sad and just pathetic really. Until you login and actually backup literally ANYTHING you say or claim, you’re just pissing in the wind, with everyone laughing at you.


Half a dozen people in this thread alone have disputed it, and someone not outright disputing the definition of "solo" doesn't mean they think soloing with outside buffs is the most pure or impressive form possible.

Ohh so we’re up to half a dozen now eh?? LOL - please name them. There’s like 3 of you, maybe 4 at most, but definitely not even close to the majority of people that have commented on the kill.

I don’t even know why I’m still wasting my time replying to you. Anyone with half a brain, that actually plays this game, can see what a jealous little bitch you are. For a while I thought you were just really stupid, but no one is THAT stupid. I’m more convinced that you’re just an insecure little twat that can only lift himself up by trying to bring others down. Every time you post you just make yourself look more and more pathetic and/or retarded.

[Samoht]

Okay, so you know what raid buffs are and you just choose to ignore the fact that being fully raid buffed is not solo.

Gotcha.

This is an example of cognitive dissonence in the wild, and it's quite interesting.

[Stryker85]

Okay, so you know what raid buffs are and you just choose to ignore the fact that being fully raid buffed is not solo.

Gotcha.

This is an example of cognitive dissonence in the wild, and it's quite interesting.

You 2 morons are the only ones still trying to claim that anything more than self buffs makes something not solo. It’s mind boggling how you can possibly try to claim that buffs are equivalent to having others there with you healing, dpsing, tanking, debuffing, etc.

Go take a look at the play nice rules. If you are the only one to agro and kill the mob, you are solo. There’s a reason GMs don’t just award people with loot or let them roll on shit just because they buffed someone. No one in their right mind would even try to claim they helped and are entitled to a roll just because they buffed the person that killed it. Thats not how this game works. Being buffed doesnt magically mean that you’re not solo. Y’all are just straight up delusional if you are seriously trying to argue against that.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Okay, so you know what raid buffs are and you just choose to ignore the fact that being fully raid buffed is not solo.

Gotcha.

This is an example of cognitive dissonence in the wild, and it's quite interesting.

You just don't understand basic math. Aego + FoS is 1500 HP, which is 5 Wort Pot Charges. Monks have 40% spell haste with Epic, and Monk Epic gives more attack than VoG. The extra DPS from +18% haste would simply translate to another Wort Pot or two. The extra HP would give 1 more Wort pot via mend. Even by Zur's standards, 8 Wort Pots is less HP than a reaper.

OP could have done his video with a reasonable amount of wort pots instead of raid buffs. OP was just smart and saved money with buffs. Your point is moot even by your own standards.

Back on topic:

Reposting OP's epic video where he kills Fungi King solo with his monk, no consumables:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wONdIYAofyQ

https://wiki.project1999.com/Solo_Artist_Challenge

It deserves the highest ranking of [S] when following the solo artist challenge wiki page. Please note the wiki page was changed after OP did his video, and the changes are still in dispute. [S+] did not exist as a rank previously.

[Samoht]

You just don't understand basic math. Aego + FoS is 1500 HP, which is 5 Wort Pot Charges. Monks have 40% spell haste with Epic, and Monk Epic gives more attack than VoG. The extra DPS from +18% haste would simply translate to another Wort Pot or two. The extra HP would give 1 more Wort pot via mend. Even by Zur's standards, 8 Wort Pots is less HP than a reaper.

OP could have done his video with a reasonable amount of wort pots instead of raid buffs. OP was just smart and saved money with buffs. Your point is moot even by your own standards.

If having raid buffs is such a small advantage, just click them off. Seems pretty easy to achieve a solo kill if you think the buffs contribute so little.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

If having raid buffs is such a small advantage, just click them off. Seems pretty easy to achieve a solo kill if you think the buffs contribute so little.

Let me ask you a question. Let's say you are self buffed only, and do not have see invis on as a buff or worn effect. If someone runs by during your solo kill with a bracer of the hidden and gives you see invis, does that mean the fight was no longer solo?

To be clear, the see invis buff gives you no benefit during the fight. There isn't an invisible mob/player you need to keep track of. The mob does not dispel, so you aren't using it as a junk buff.

I'll wait for your answer. The math on how much benefit OP got from VoG + Aego + FoS is easy to do, especially when we have the video. We can convert the benefit of these raid buffs into a specific number of Wort Pot charges.

Back on topic:

Reposting OP's epic video where he kills Fungi King solo with his monk, no consumables:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wONdIYAofyQ

https://wiki.project1999.com/Solo_Artist_Challenge

It deserves the highest ranking of [S] when following the solo artist challenge wiki page. Please note the wiki page was changed after OP did his video, and the changes are still in dispute. [S+] did not exist as a rank previously.

[Tewaz]

I for one, think you should solo the king completely naked except for 10 corpsed reapers and Invoke Death pet from White Dragon Tooth. Then I will personally feel okay about it.

[Skarne]

nah hes gotta do it after deleting all his gear, death looping to 5, reding to 60, and THEN do it with no consumables or buffs. Also, only joystick inputs allowed. Only then will it be legit.

[shovelquest]

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[Samoht]

Let me ask you a question. Let's say you are self buffed only, and do not have see invis on as a buff or worn effect. If someone runs by during your solo kill with a bracer of the hidden and gives you see invis, does that mean the fight was no longer solo?

Another argument in bad faith. Just a typical DSM post.

[Duik]

There are no winners in a thread like this.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Another argument in bad faith. Just a typical DSM post.

He can't answer the question. We all know why. Thank you for admitting defeat.

Back on topic:

Reposting OP's epic video where he kills Fungi King solo with his monk, no consumables:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wONdIYAofyQ

https://wiki.project1999.com/Solo_Artist_Challenge

It deserves the highest ranking of [S] when following the solo artist challenge wiki page. Please note the wiki page was changed after OP did his video, and the changes are still in dispute. [S+] did not exist as a rank previously.

[Zuranthium]

yet you still don’t seem to understand that has absolutely nothing to do with this conversation. I don’t give a damn if it’s “faster”. I chose this method because I wanted to do it with ONE character without the need to swap back and forth.

LMAO, the degree to which something is a solo or not is the ENTIRE fucking conversation that's been going on! You are failing so badly at trying to deflect.

YOU DID NOT USE ONE CHARACTER. YOU USED 4 CHARACTERS AND REQUIRED A 2ND PLAYER TO LOG ON YOUR ALTS.

Imagine you want to log onto the game for an hour and do the camp. Nobody around to help, you just have yourself. You are NOT capable of doing the camp by yourself right now. How long is this going to take to sink into your fucking head? It's an incontrovertable fact. STOP trying to deny it.

So, now that we've established trying to do a camp with ONE PLAYER ONLY, how can we approach it? If we're trying to achieve the highest tier of solo challenge, then it means using 1 character only. That's one mode of playing. Another mode of playing is wanting to just farm the camp quickly. For that, I linked a video of the best way to do it. Pull with a snare class, then log over to a class that can do the kill (enchanter being the fastest).

You wanting to have another player come buff you is another mode of playing the game. And that's fine, and sometimes might even be the safest way to hold the camp down if you happen to have someone who will always come at your beck and call and not ask for a share of the loot, but it's not SOLO. Thus, it's not an option all the time.

I did kill it by myself. The fact that you think having outside buffs is the same as having other people with you healing and DPSing is just ridiculous.

BUFFS GIVE YOU MORE DPS AND MORE HEALTH

It is the EXACT same thing, in effect, as another player literally casting a heal on you during the fight and casting a damage spell on the NPC.

This entire game is basic math in motion. Everything is a creation of damage or a reduction of damage.

When someone that’s soloing a camp gets outside buffs, do you think the people that buffed the soloer are entitled to a roll on the loot? NO - they’re not!

That has NOTHING to do with the parameters of a solo challenge.

And LOL, wtf are you talking about other people rolling for loot. Swapping between your own characters is YOU only. You're not sharing a roll with anyone else if you do a camp like that. You're using yourself only. LMAO?!?

4 pt DS and 12 AC is irrelevant.

It's 25 AC and no it isn't irrelevant. ANY fluctuation in performance can make a difference in a close fight. This shows how oblivious you are and have likely never done anything competitive in your life where margins are tight and finding razor thin advantages is the difference in winning or not.

I have killed the king solo with and without avatar. It doesn’t make near enough of a difference to eliminate the need for other buffs

You wouldn't know seeing as you've 1.) never ran the numbers, 2.) don't have the gear in the first place to do it, 3.) never played the encounter with offhand fist swapping the whole way through to maximize DPS.

If you can already do the fight with a full bubble of health remaining when you didn't have Avatar up and weren't playing perfectly, then it's possible that Avatar + debuff + damage shield + correct swapping is enough. You're losing 950 HP by having Shielding instead of Aegolism and your haste is only going down by 18%, while your ATK stat is increasingly considerably from Avatar.

toggling the Abashi for max DPS is something that takes a metric fuckton of time and practice to master

You're definitely not a person who has ever engaged in something that takes competitive skill. Clicking on the screen twice after doing an autoattack "takes a ton of time and practice to master". LOOOOOOL.

You’re just a pathetic troll screaming from the sidelines. Anyone with half a brain can see what a jealous little bitch you are.

That idiotic line again. NOBODY IS JEALOUS OF YOU. NOBODY IS OUT TO GET YOU. NOBODY IS OBLIGATED TO TREAT YOU LIKE A PRINCESS.

I have more experience with this game than you do and far more skill as a gamer. Have you ever won tournaments and actual money? Ever ranked high globally at an actual competitive thing? No, you haven't. I don't need to log on and do anything. I've already played more than enough EQ since 1999. It's not the role of a retired athlete to spend their time on the field. They move onto coaching, officiating, or professional analysis to impart their expertise.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

BUFFS GIVE YOU MORE DPS AND MORE HEALTH

It is the EXACT same thing, in effect, as another player literally casting a heal on you during the fight and casting a damage spell on the NPC.

This entire game is basic math in motion. Everything is a creation of damage or a reduction of damage.


I've already gone over the math. VoG + Aego + FoS was mathematically equivalent to 8 or 9 charges of a 10 dose wort pot for OP's video, which is "moderate" usage by your own standards. 2400-2700 HP would be less than a reaper for OP. You have no case, and your own standards show it.

Please stop trolling and spamming the thread with nonsense.

Back on topic:

Reposting OP's epic video where he kills Fungi King solo with his monk, no consumables:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wONdIYAofyQ

https://wiki.project1999.com/Solo_Artist_Challenge

It deserves the highest ranking of [S] when following the solo artist challenge wiki page. Please note the wiki page was changed after OP did his video, and the changes are still in dispute. [S+] did not exist as a rank previously.

[Stryker85]

LMAO, the degree to which something is a solo or not is the ENTIRE fucking conversation that's been going on! You are failing so badly at trying to deflect.

You're the only one here deflecting. No one here but you is trying to compare these kills to the one you linked. They are completely different methods with different self imposed limitations, and are thus completely irrelevant in respect to each other.


YOU DID NOT USE ONE CHARACTER. YOU USED 4 CHARACTERS AND REQUIRED A 2ND PLAYER TO LOG ON YOUR ALTS.

This backwards ass logic is so fucking retarded, I'm not even going to respond to it anymore. There's no point, anyone with half a brain can read that sentence and see for themselves what a moron you are. Using 1 character that's buffed to fight the mob is not the same thing as fighting the mob with 4 characters you disingenuous piece of shit.


You wouldn't know seeing as you've 1.) never ran the numbers, 2.) don't have the gear in the first place to do it, 3.) never played the encounter with offhand fist swapping the whole way through to maximize DPS.


ROFL, I wouldn't know... AND YOU WOULD??? What kind of fucking crack are you smoking dude? Only 1 of us here has solo'd the damn thing, and it wasn't you. I have ran the numbers, I DO have the gear... do you?? NOPE! But yet I wouldn't know, and you would somehow??? You are straight up delusional.


You're definitely not a person who has ever engaged in something that takes competitive skill. Clicking on the screen twice after doing an autoattack "takes a ton of time and practice to master". LOOOOOOL.

Here you go making yourself look like a fucking fool again. If it was that easy, every monk would do it. There's a reason we have a 2h toggle Monk DPS Bounty Competition (https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1348017291966681133/1382814547643207931/image.png?ex=686c29e7&is=686ad867&hm=2cadd37fcb60cfdfdef10f6a8e6119c2026b5c1a7dc4dc3 e7b130dd6433c3ecf&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=705&height=911) for anyone in <Fuse> to strive for. Do you know how many people have collected on that bounty in about a full year's time? 3 people... out of literally hundreds of monks with raid calibur 2handers. It's not just "clicking the screen twice after doing an autoattack", its learning the full delay of your 2h, and staying in rhythm with it without missing a 2h swing, which its very easy to miss if your timing is even just slightly off. But you wouldn't know anything about that, because you're a clueless newb that thinks fucking steal strength is a viable strat for soloing the spore king without buffs. :rolleyes:


I have more experience with this game than you do and far more skill as a gamer. Have you ever won tournaments and actual money? Ever ranked high globally at an actual competitive thing? No, you haven't.

If you're not going to log on to put your money where your mouth is in EQ (because you can't), then at least 1v1 me on Call of Duty or literally any FPS of your choice and I will fucking smoke your ass nonstop. Yes, I have competed and won tournaments for money. I've won several local MTG tournaments, and qualified for Day 2 at GP Denver in 2016. I was also the #1 ranked SK world-wide on Magelo rankings during Solteris - Underfoot eras when my guild was competing for world first raid kills after each expansion release, against raids that took guilds weeks to figure out before someone finally broke through.


I don't need to log on and do anything. I've already played more than enough EQ since 1999. It's not the role of a retired athlete to spend their time on the field. They move onto coaching, officiating, or professional analysis to impart their expertise.

LOL OK, thanks for finally admitting defeat. You can scream from the sidelines all you want about how much better and smarter you are than all of us, but until you log on and shows us ANYTHING to back up even a shred of the bullshit you claim - you'll be nothing but a jealous little bitch that can't do or prove jack shit.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

I have more experience with this game than you do and far more skill as a gamer. Have you ever won tournaments and actual money? Ever ranked high globally at an actual competitive thing? No, you haven't. I don't need to log on and do anything. I've already played more than enough EQ since 1999. It's not the role of a retired athlete to spend their time on the field. They move onto coaching, officiating, or professional analysis to impart their expertise.

No coach or professional analyst worth their salt acts like this. Clearly you think you are better than everyone here, and it sounds like you don't even plan on playing anymore. Please move on to a different forum that appreciates your "coaching" and "analysis".

Back on topic:

Reposting OP's epic video where he kills Fungi King solo with his monk, no consumables:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wONdIYAofyQ

https://wiki.project1999.com/Solo_Artist_Challenge

It deserves the highest ranking of [S] when following the solo artist challenge wiki page. Please note the wiki page was changed after OP did his video, and the changes are still in dispute. [S+] did not exist as a rank previously.

[shovelquest]

Back on topic:

Reposting OP's epic video where he kills Fungi King solo with his monk, no consumables:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wONdIYAofyQ

https://wiki.project1999.com/Solo_Artist_Challenge

It deserves the highest ranking of [S] when following the solo artist challenge wiki page. Please note the wiki page was changed after OP did his video, and the changes are still in dispute. [S+] did not exist as a rank previously.

https://i.imgur.com/MqPUpoU.gif

[Samoht]

He can't answer the question. We all know why. Thank you for admitting defeat.

There was no real question. Your post was a straw man. That's why it's an argument in bad faith.

Rhetorical Context (Straw Man Fallacy):

Distortion:
Instead of addressing the original argument, a straw man fallacy involves creating a weaker, often exaggerated or misrepresented, version of it.

Easy Target:
This distorted version is then attacked, making it appear as though the original argument has been refuted.
Example:
If someone argues for better public transportation, a straw man response might be, "So you want to completely eliminate cars?".
Not a Real Argument:
The person arguing against the straw man is not actually addressing the original point, but rather a fabricated one.

I've already gone over the math. VoG + Aego + FoS was mathematically equivalent to 8 or 9 charges of a 10 dose wort pot for OP's video, which is "moderate" usage by your own standards. 2400-2700 HP would be less than a reaper for OP. You have no case, and your own standards show it.

We all know how much your "math" is worth. ROFL.

If the contribution from the buffs is so low, JUST. CLICK. THEM. OFF.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

There was no real question. Your post was a straw man. That's why it's an argument in bad faith.

Rhetorical Context (Straw Man Fallacy):

Distortion:
Instead of addressing the original argument, a straw man fallacy involves creating a weaker, often exaggerated or misrepresented, version of it.

Easy Target:
This distorted version is then attacked, making it appear as though the original argument has been refuted.
Example:
If someone argues for better public transportation, a straw man response might be, "So you want to completely eliminate cars?".
Not a Real Argument:
The person arguing against the straw man is not actually addressing the original point, but rather a fabricated one.



We all know how much your "math" is worth. ROFL.

If the contribution from the buffs is so low, JUST. CLICK. THEM. OFF.

Thank you for admitting defeat. You write a bunch of nonsense instead of answering such a simple question. We can keep doing this if you want, it just makes you look silly that you can't answer such a basic question. I'll repost it again for you.


Let me ask you a question. Let's say you are self buffed only, and do not have see invis on as a buff or worn effect. If someone runs by during your solo kill with a bracer of the hidden and gives you see invis, does that mean the fight was no longer solo?

To be clear, the see invis buff gives you no benefit during the fight. There isn't an invisible mob/player you need to keep track of. The mob does not dispel, so you aren't using it as a junk buff.


Back on topic:

Reposting OP's epic video where he kills Fungi King solo with his monk, no consumables:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wONdIYAofyQ

https://wiki.project1999.com/Solo_Artist_Challenge

It deserves the highest ranking of [S] when following the solo artist challenge wiki page. Please note the wiki page was changed after OP did his video, and the changes are still in dispute. [S+] did not exist as a rank previously.

[Samoht]

Thank you for admitting defeat. You write a bunch of nonsense instead of answering such a simple question. We can keep doing this if you want, it just makes you look silly that you can't answer such a basic question. I'll repost it again for you.

Are seriously still trying to push your straw man about see invis? Or is this about your bullshit math?

You talk in so many circles that I'm sure you've even confused yourself.

No human communicates like this.

Can you remind me, please, what was your argument again? Oh right, you never had one. That's why you're resorting to ad hominem attacks again. You can't deal with being proven wrong. Your post history speaks for itself.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Are seriously still trying to push your straw man about see invis? Or is this about your bullshit math?

You talk in so many circles that I'm sure you've even confused yourself.

No human communicates like this.

Can you remind me, please, what was your argument again? Oh right, you never had one. That's why you're resorting to ad hominem attacks again. You can't deal with being proven wrong. Your post history speaks for itself.

He still hasn't answered the question. He knows it will ruin his argument, so he just keeps flailing. You are at the disadvantage here, not me. Keep going of you want to look silly.


Let me ask you a question. Let's say you are self buffed only, and do not have see invis on as a buff or worn effect. If someone runs by during your solo kill with a bracer of the hidden and gives you see invis, does that mean the fight was no longer solo?

To be clear, the see invis buff gives you no benefit during the fight. There isn't an invisible mob/player you need to keep track of. The mob does not dispel, so you aren't using it as a junk buff.


Back on topic:

Reposting OP's epic video where he kills Fungi King solo with his monk, no consumables:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wONdIYAofyQ

https://wiki.project1999.com/Solo_Artist_Challenge

It deserves the highest ranking of [S] when following the solo artist challenge wiki page. Please note the wiki page was changed after OP did his video, and the changes are still in dispute. [S+] did not exist as a rank previously.

[Samoht]

Now who's avoiding the question.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Now who's avoiding the question.

You can answer my question at any time. Simply asking questions after mine isn't a valid strategy to avoid the question I asked you first. Here it is again:


Let me ask you a question. Let's say you are self buffed only, and do not have see invis on as a buff or worn effect. If someone runs by during your solo kill with a bracer of the hidden and gives you see invis, does that mean the fight was no longer solo?

To be clear, the see invis buff gives you no benefit during the fight. There isn't an invisible mob/player you need to keep track of. The mob does not dispel, so you aren't using it as a junk buff.


Back on topic:

Reposting OP's epic video where he kills Fungi King solo with his monk, no consumables:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wONdIYAofyQ

https://wiki.project1999.com/Solo_Artist_Challenge

It deserves the highest ranking of [S] when following the solo artist challenge wiki page. Please note the wiki page was changed after OP did his video, and the changes are still in dispute. [S+] did not exist as a rank previously.

[Samoht]

So it is about the straw man! You know that it's 100% irrelevant to the discussion at hand, yet you insist that it be answered before you'll acknowledge defeat!

But that's the beauty of debate: Nobody has to answer your bullshit straw man.

Continuing to insist that I do only admits that you have no valid argument. You never did.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

So it is about the straw man! You know that it's 100% irrelevant to the discussion at hand, yet you insist that it be answered before you'll acknowledge defeat!

But that's the beauty of debate: Nobody has to answer your bullshit straw man.

Continuing to insist that I do only admits that you have no valid argument. You never did.

The amount of dodging here is astounding. He knows his argument will be destroyed by his answer. That is answer enough. Thank you for admitting defeat. This was the question he couldn't answer because it ruins his argument:


Let me ask you a question. Let's say you are self buffed only, and do not have see invis on as a buff or worn effect. If someone runs by during your solo kill with a bracer of the hidden and gives you see invis, does that mean the fight was no longer solo?

To be clear, the see invis buff gives you no benefit during the fight. There isn't an invisible mob/player you need to keep track of. The mob does not dispel, so you aren't using it as a junk buff.


Back on topic:

Reposting OP's epic video where he kills Fungi King solo with his monk, no consumables:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wONdIYAofyQ

https://wiki.project1999.com/Solo_Artist_Challenge

It deserves the highest ranking of [S] when following the solo artist challenge wiki page. Please note the wiki page was changed after OP did his video, and the changes are still in dispute. [S+] did not exist as a rank previously.

[Samoht]

Something tells me that neither one of us knows what you're talking about and that's why you're unable to move on.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Something tells me that neither one of us knows what you're talking about and that's why you're unable to move on.

You can still answer the question, even if you think it is irrelevant, which it isn't. You keep claiming you know so much about the game. It should be an easy answer, and you can add all the nuance you want. But we both know your answer will ruin your argument. That is why you are resisting so hard. Here is the damning question again:


Let me ask you a question. Let's say you are self buffed only, and do not have see invis on as a buff or worn effect. If someone runs by during your solo kill with a bracer of the hidden and gives you see invis, does that mean the fight was no longer solo?

To be clear, the see invis buff gives you no benefit during the fight. There isn't an invisible mob/player you need to keep track of. The mob does not dispel, so you aren't using it as a junk buff.


Back on topic:

Reposting OP's epic video where he kills Fungi King solo with his monk, no consumables:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wONdIYAofyQ

https://wiki.project1999.com/Solo_Artist_Challenge

It deserves the highest ranking of [S] when following the solo artist challenge wiki page. Please note the wiki page was changed after OP did his video, and the changes are still in dispute. [S+] did not exist as a rank previously.

[Samoht]

DSM just proves once again that he has no idea what raid buffs are.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

DSM just proves once again that he has no idea what raid buffs are.

There was a poster who disagrees with you:

Okay, so you know what raid buffs are

Thanks Samoht for calling out Samoht on his lies!

Here is the question you can't answer again:


Let me ask you a question. Let's say you are self buffed only, and do not have see invis on as a buff or worn effect. If someone runs by during your solo kill with a bracer of the hidden and gives you see invis, does that mean the fight was no longer solo?

To be clear, the see invis buff gives you no benefit during the fight. There isn't an invisible mob/player you need to keep track of. The mob does not dispel, so you aren't using it as a junk buff.


Back on topic:

Reposting OP's epic video where he kills Fungi King solo with his monk, no consumables:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wONdIYAofyQ

https://wiki.project1999.com/Solo_Artist_Challenge

It deserves the highest ranking of [S] when following the solo artist challenge wiki page. Please note the wiki page was changed after OP did his video, and the changes are still in dispute. [S+] did not exist as a rank previously.

[Samoht]

You insist that see invis is a raid buff, but it's not. Your argument is an offtopic straw man. Either you don't know what raid buffs are, or your argument is in bad faith. Which is it?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

You insist that see invis is a raid buff, but it's not. Your argument is an offtopic straw man. Either you don't know what raid buffs are, or your argument is in bad faith. Which is it?

I did not say see invis was a raid buff ever. You can check the post history. Did you read the question you refuse to answer?


Let me ask you a question. Let's say you are self buffed only, and do not have see invis on as a buff or worn effect. If someone runs by during your solo kill with a bracer of the hidden and gives you see invis, does that mean the fight was no longer solo?

To be clear, the see invis buff gives you no benefit during the fight. There isn't an invisible mob/player you need to keep track of. The mob does not dispel, so you aren't using it as a junk buff.


Back on topic:

Reposting OP's epic video where he kills Fungi King solo with his monk, no consumables:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wONdIYAofyQ

https://wiki.project1999.com/Solo_Artist_Challenge

It deserves the highest ranking of [S] when following the solo artist challenge wiki page. Please note the wiki page was changed after OP did his video, and the changes are still in dispute. [S+] did not exist as a rank previously.

[Samoht]

I did not say see invis was a raid buff ever. You can check the post history. Did you read the question you refuse to answer?

Okay, thank you then for admitting the argument is in bad faith.

Back on topic: If the raid buffs had no impact on the fight, why not just click them off?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Okay, thank you then for admitting the argument is in bad faith.

Back on topic: If the raid buffs had no impact on the fight, why not just click them off?

More dodging. You know the question is relevant and ruins your argument. You can easily answer it and add all the nuance and "this is not a raid buff" arguments you want.

Here is the damning question again:


Let me ask you a question. Let's say you are self buffed only, and do not have see invis on as a buff or worn effect. If someone runs by during your solo kill with a bracer of the hidden and gives you see invis, does that mean the fight was no longer solo?

To be clear, the see invis buff gives you no benefit during the fight. There isn't an invisible mob/player you need to keep track of. The mob does not dispel, so you aren't using it as a junk buff.


Back on topic:

Reposting OP's epic video where he kills Fungi King solo with his monk, no consumables:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wONdIYAofyQ

https://wiki.project1999.com/Solo_Artist_Challenge

It deserves the highest ranking of [S] when following the solo artist challenge wiki page. Please note the wiki page was changed after OP did his video, and the changes are still in dispute. [S+] did not exist as a rank previously.

[Samoht]

Your straw man on whether or not someone else casting see invis on OP has no bearing on the discussion on whether or not OP can kill the king without raid buffs. It is off topic and has no place in this discussion. See invis is not a raid buff. See invis is available to every class/race combination as a self-buff, anyway, making your question even more useless (just like the rest of your argument).

Back on topic: If the raid buffs had no impact on the fight, why not just click them off?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Your straw man on whether or not someone else casting see invis on OP has no bearing on the discussion on whether or not OP can kill the king without raid buffs. It is off topic and has no place in this discussion. See invis is not a raid buff. See invis is available to every class/race combination as a self-buff, anyway, making your question even more useless (just like the rest of your argument).

Back on topic: If the raid buffs had no impact on the fight, why not just click them off?

I've shown Samoht has dodged the question for 10+ posts now. Thanks for providing the evidence that you refused to answer the question.

Let me help him out. Samoht knows the act of buffing someone by itself doesn't count as joining the fight and making it not solo. The question I asked him about bracer of the hidden proves this point well.

The issue Samoht has with "raid buffs" is the advantage they give in the fight, and if that advantage was required to win the fight.

I've already shown mathematically VoG + Aego + FoS was the equivalent of 8 or 9 charges of a 10 dose wort pot for OP's video. This means the raid buffs did not provide an advantage that was required to win the fight.

8 or 9 wort pot charges is acceptable to Zur and Samoht by their own arguments.

He knows he lost the argument, he just can't admit it.

Back on topic:

Reposting OP's epic video where he kills Fungi King solo with his monk, no consumables:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wONdIYAofyQ

https://wiki.project1999.com/Solo_Artist_Challenge

It deserves the highest ranking of [S] when following the solo artist challenge wiki page. Please note the wiki page was changed after OP did his video, and the changes are still in dispute. [S+] did not exist as a rank previously.
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[Samoht]

My argument is and always has been that OP couldn't do it without raid buffs. Who gives a shit if someone casts a junk buff on him during a kill? This is the text book definition of a straw man.

Back on topic: If the raid buffs had no impact on the fight, why not just click them off?

[Samoht]

I've already shown mathematically VoG + Aego + FoS was the equivalent of 8 or 9 charges of a 10 dose wort pot for OP's video. This means the raid buffs did not provide an advantage that was required to win the fight.

No you didn't. You just declared this as factual. It's not even remotely factual. Where's the proof? (Hint: There is none.) It's just more nonsense.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

My argument is and always has been that OP couldn't do it without raid buffs.

Ok. So you agree that buffing someone by itself did not make this a group effort. That is off the table.

You made the claim that OP couldn't do it. Let's do the math together. It's easy.

FoS + Aego gives 1505 HP. Wort Pots heal for 300. 1500 / 300 = 5. So we get 5 Wort Pot charges from the Max HP. Based on the video OP only used his max HP once, he was not healed to full. 25% of 1500 HP is 375, so that is another Wort Pot charge from 1x mend.

We have 6 Wort Pot Charges so far. Is this correct?

[Samoht]

FoS + Aego gives 1505 HP. Wort Pots heal for 300. 1500 / 300 = 5. So we get 5 Wort Pot charges from the Max HP. Based on the video OP only used his max HP once, he was not healed to full. 25% of 1500 HP is 375, so that is another Wort Pot charge from 1x mend.

What exactly are you trying to prove/disprove with this math? The first thing I'm observing is that you might not know what these buffs do after all. FoS and Aego each gives more than just raw HP. For whatever reason, there's no consideration for VoG at all, which is funny because that seems to be a constant area of confusion for you. So you're arguing against the idea that you understand raid buffs? Is that what I'm seeing?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

What exactly are you trying to prove/disprove with this math? The first thing I'm observing is that you might not know what these buffs do after all. FoS and Aego each gives more than just raw HP. For whatever reason, there's no consideration for VoG at all, which is funny because that seems to be a constant area of confusion for you. So you're arguing against the idea that you understand raid buffs? Is that what I'm seeing?

I am going through the math step by step. I did not forget about VoG or the other stats on Aego and FoS. Was my math correct for the HP portion of Aego + FoS?

[Samoht]

No, because OP would be doing considerably less DPS without FoS or VoG and might take more damage without Aego.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

No, because OP would be doing considerably less DPS without FoS or VoG and might take more damage without Aego.

We haven't gotten to the damage portion yet. Do not worry, we will! I already included that in my previous calculations you claimed were incorrect.

Was my math on the HP component of FoS + Aego correct?

[Samoht]

Are you bad at math or something? I'm not approving half an equation. You're a fucking idiot.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Are you bad at math or something? I'm not approving half an equation. You're a fucking idiot.

Please tell me where the math is wrong on the HP component of the buffs. Once you agree with this math, we will move on to the other components of the buffs, and add the wort pot charges accordingly.


FoS + Aego gives 1505 HP. Wort Pots heal for 300. 1500 / 300 = 5. So we get 5 Wort Pot charges from the Max HP. Based on the video OP only used his max HP once, he was not healed to full. 25% of 1500 HP is 375, so that is another Wort Pot charge from 1x mend.


Right now we have 6 wort pot charges from the HP component of the buffs. We have not done the math on the other buff components yet.

[Samoht]

HP doesn't work like that. Total HP only matters when full. A smart person wouldn't click a pot with full HP, but I'm sure you're eventually going to endorse a scenario where they would to prove some twisted off topic straw man argument at some point in this thread, just like you argued about using a CH clicky at greater than 50% health.

The duration of the fight is going to have the greatest impact on total health required. The math should be the duration of the fight using DPS from OP against total HP from king and make sure to include innate regen from the king as an offset and then invert that to the DPS from the king over the same time frame. Then you'll be able to determine when the king would kill OP during that time and know how many pots they would need.

Of course, the time could be higher than the respawn timer, which negate the entire attempt because when OP gets adds, there's going to be very little chance that they finish the fight.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

HP doesn't work like that. Total HP only matters when full. A smart person wouldn't click a pot with full HP, but I'm sure you're eventually going to endorse a scenario where they would to prove some twisted off topic straw man argument at some point in this thread, just like you argued about using a CH clicky at greater than 50% health.

The duration of the fight is going to have the greatest impact on total health required. The math should be the duration of the fight using DPS from OP against total HP from king and make sure to include innate regen from the king as an offset and then invert that to the DPS from the king over the same time frame. Then you'll be able to determine when the king would kill OP during that time and know how many pots they would need.

Of course, the time could be higher than the respawn timer, which negate the entire attempt because when OP gets adds, there's going to be very little chance that they finish the fight.

I didn't say OP would click the wort pot at full HP. I never said to use a reaper above 50%, you made that up. OP used the max HP from FoS + Aego once in the video. We have video evidence for this.

Using the 1500 extra HP from FoS + Aego once by starting the fight at full health is equal to using 6 wort pots at 40% HP or whenever you feel is the best time to click those potions. This includes the extra HP from 1x mend. Agreed?

[Samoht]

No, I do not agree with your half-assed assumption of the HP required without consideration to how the duration of the fight changes without raid buffs.

DSM = Dip Shit at Math.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

No, I do not agree with your half-assed assumption of the HP required without consideration to how the duration of the fight changes without raid buffs.

DSM = Dip Shit at Math.

Sigh. We can see that Samoht refuses to do the math. Until he actually does the math himself, he has no evidence that my math is flawed. Again, he is dodging because he knows he will be proven wrong with the math.

[Samoht]

I've twice now tried to directly address the glaring flaws in your "math" and both times have been disregarded without any actual argument against how your math is incorrect except you simply declaring it is correct.

Unfortunately for you, just declaring it as being correct is not proof enough to most mathematical fields, so your "math" is worth about about as much as the napkin you used to calculate it.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

I've twice now tried to directly address the glaring flaws in your "math" and both times have been disregarded without any actual argument against how your math is incorrect except you simply declaring it is correct.

Unfortunately for you, just declaring it as being correct is not proof enough to most mathematical fields, so your "math" is worth about about as much as the napkin you used to calculate it.

Lets approach it from your angle then. It doesn't change the math, you are simply incorrect with your assumptions about my math. This will become clear.

https://youtu.be/wONdIYAofyQ

The fight starts at 9 minutes, and Fungi King starts running around 10 minutes 50 seconds. So OP was getting hit for 1 minute and 50 seconds. Correct?

[Samoht]

And how much would that time increase without the damage buffs received from FoS and VoG?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

And how much would that time increase without the damage buffs received from FoS and VoG?

It sounds like you agree with the timeframe of the fight. This is important to determine the average DPS of Fungi King. Once we know the average DPS of Fungi King, we can predict how much additional damage will be taken if the fight lasts longer due to OP having less DPS.

From the video it looks like OP took ~6000 damage over 110 seconds. So Fungi King was doing 6000 damage / 110 seconds = ~54.5 DPS on average to OP. Do you agree?

[Stryker85]

No bearing on the discussion on whether or not OP can kill the king without raid buffs.

Back on topic: If the raid buffs had no impact on the fight, why not just click them off?


Wait, what?? Are you seriously trying to claim that I can't kill the king without raid buffs, even with consumables?? I must be misunderstanding something... because that wouldn't make ANY sense at all

Of course I can kill the king without raid buffs if I click 40 wort pots and/or a reaper to keep myself healed. I can fight the damn thing for 15 minutes with consumables... The whole point of having raid buffs is to make it doable without using consumables.

Now if you are arguing that it cannot be done without raid buffs or consumables, then I would agree with you whole heartedly. It most certainly is not possible without raid buffs unless you supplement the kill with several clicks of consumables to make up for the lost HP and DPS.

It sounds like you agree with the timeframe of the fight. This is important to determine the average DPS of Fungi King. Once we know the average DPS of Fungi King, we can predict how much additional damage will be taken if the fight lasts longer due to OP having less DPS.

From the video it looks like OP took ~6000 damage over 110 seconds. So Fungi King was doing 6000 damage / 110 seconds = ~54.5 DPS on average to OP. Do you agree?


I parse all of my fights, here are the exact numbers from that kill: Damage breakdown (https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/822724075079073792/1391840185486147836/image.png?ex=686d5baf&is=686c0a2f&hm=b595e7b86cd7d5c571c069e02a60e1baee8f93c9bd92ceb 5ff197546521145bb&) if you want to math it all out.

[Samoht]

Wait, what?? Are you seriously trying to claim that I can't kill the king without raid buffs, even with consumables?? I must be misunderstanding something... because that wouldn't make ANY sense at all

Of course I can kill the king without raid buffs if I click 40 wort pots and/or a reaper to keep myself healed. I can fight the damn thing for 15 minutes with consumables... The whole point of having raid buffs is to make it doable without using consumables.

Now if you are arguing that it cannot be done without raid buffs or consumables, then I would agree with you whole heartedly. It most certainly is not possible without raid buffs unless you supplement the kill with several clicks of consumables to make up for the lost HP and DPS.

Below is my argument from page one on this thread. It's still there and available for review:

Hmm. Doesn't appear to be a solo kill. Player had a shaman, cleric, and enchanter out of group buffing them.

You've let this go 60+ pages because you misread my first post?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Below is my argument from page one on this thread. It's still there and available for review:

You've let this go 60+ pages because you misread my first post?


I parse all of my fights, here are the exact numbers from that kill: Damage breakdown (https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/822724075079073792/1391840185486147836/image.png?ex=686d5baf&is=686c0a2f&hm=b595e7b86cd7d5c571c069e02a60e1baee8f93c9bd92ceb 5ff197546521145bb&) if you want to math it all out.

Thanks for the data Stryker85! Looks like my 6000 damage estimate was close.

So 6500 damage / 110 seconds = ~59 DPS from Fungi King to OP.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/822724075079073792/1391840185486147836/image.png?ex=686d5baf&is=686c0a2f&hm=b595e7b86cd7d5c571c069e02a60e1baee8f93c9bd92ceb 5ff197546521145bb&

Op was doing 124 DPS. Does everybody agree? This is OP with VoG + Aego + FoS.

[Stryker85]

Below is my argument from page one on this thread. It's still there and available for review:

You've let this go 60+ pages because you misread my first post?

Oh no, I'm well aware of your backwards ass logic that somehow equates having buffs to the same thing as having multiple characters fighting the mob. We all know what a disingenuous and just plain false argument this is.

What I was trying to confirm is if you are also saying that the fight cannot be done without raid buffs period, or just cant be done without raid buffs or consumables.

If you're trying to say it cannot be done without raid buffs period, then you would of course be incorrect. Of course it can be done without raid buffs if you supplement the kill with a ton of wort pots and a reaper to make up the lost HP and DPS.

If you're saying it can't be done without raid buffs or consumables, then you're absolutely right, and no one except Zuranthium has tried to claim otherwise. And we all know what a retard that guy is.

[Samoht]

Oh no, I'm well aware of your backwards ass logic that somehow equates having buffs to the same thing as having multiple characters fighting the mob. We all know what a disingenuous and just plain false argument this is.

Yeah because receiving raid buffs from outside your group before your attempt is more similar to a PL than a solo. Nothing backwards about it.

[Stryker85]

Yeah because receiving raid buffs from outside your group before your attempt is more similar to a PL than a solo. Nothing backwards about it.

This statement wreaks of pettiness and envy. So now, when confronted by basic logic, you have switched your stance to, "Uhh well its closer to a PL than a solo". Do you think that people don't get outside buffs when soloing? You're just lumping yourself in with the other retard in this thread, Zuranthium. Which, trust me, is not a good look.

[Samoht]

This statement wreaks of pettiness and envy. So now, when confronted by basic logic, you have switched your stance to, "Uhh well its closer to a PL than a solo".

Switched, no, there was no switch. That was my argument all along. I included the quote above. This isn't a solo because it's a group effort. Buffing without being on the hate list is still buffing. It's no more solo than being PLed.

Do you think that people don't get outside buffs when soloing?

Like I said, if you're doing this for XP, it is a PL. It couldn't be more clear.

You're just lumping yourself in with the other retard in this thread, Zuranthium. Which, trust me, is not a good look.

It's hard to argue with that, but it could be worse. You could be trying to lump me in with DSM, but chose that one for yourself.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Switched, no, there was no switch. That was my argument all along. I included the quote above. This isn't a solo because it's a group effort. Buffing without being on the hate list is still buffing. It's no more solo than being PLed.



Like I said, if you're doing this for XP, it is a PL. It couldn't be more clear.



It's hard to argue with that, but it could be worse. You could be trying to lump me in with DSM, but chose that one for yourself.

You still haven't adressed the math.

This is OP's Magelo:

https://wiki.project1999.com/index.php?title=Magelo_Blue:Sscalez&action=view&preload=&editintro=&section=

This is OP's video discussed in this thread:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wONdIYAofyQ

From OP's video, the fight was ~110 seconds long before Fungi King started running.

6500 damage / 110 seconds = ~59 DPS from Fungi King to OP.

This is OP's DPS parse:

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/822724075079073792/1391840185486147836/image.png?ex=686d5baf&is=686c0a2f&hm=b595e7b86cd7d5c571c069e02a60e1baee8f93c9bd92ceb 5ff197546521145bb&

OP was doing 124 DPS.

Does everybody agree with these two DPS numbers? This is OP with VoG + Aego + FoS.

[Samoht]

You still haven't adressed the math.

This is OP's Magelo:

https://wiki.project1999.com/index.php?title=Magelo_Blue:Sscalez&action=view&preload=&editintro=&section=

This is OP's video discussed in this thread:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wONdIYAofyQ

From OP's video, the fight was ~110 seconds long before Fungi King started running.

6500 damage / 110 seconds = ~59 DPS from Fungi King to OP.

This is OP's DPS parse:

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/822724075079073792/1391840185486147836/image.png?ex=686d5baf&is=686c0a2f&hm=b595e7b86cd7d5c571c069e02a60e1baee8f93c9bd92ceb 5ff197546521145bb&

Stryker85 was doing 124 DPS.

Does everybody agree with these two DPS numbers? This is OP with VoG + Aego + FoS.

Is there a way to fast forward through this bullshit and make you get to the point?

[Stryker85]

Switched, no, there was no switch. That was my argument all along. I included the quote above. This isn't a solo because it's a group effort. Buffing without being on the hate list is still buffing. It's no more solo than being PLed.

Like I said, if you're doing this for XP, it is a PL. It couldn't be more clear.

It's hard to argue with that, but it could be worse. You could be trying to lump me in with DSM, but chose that one for yourself.

This argument is just plain false and extremely disingenuous. So let me get this straight: You think that someone buffing you, and then you proceed to go solo a camp or mob(s) is the same thing as being power leveled?? Clearly you have not been power leveled before. Buffing someone one time every few hours is not the same thing as power leveling them. You are literally the first person I've EVER heard try to claim that.

Power leveling involves keep the person healed, constant damage shields, and/or taking damage for them. Buffing someones with an HP buff or haste is not the same thing as power leveling them, if they are doing all of the fighting themselves. The fact that you are trying to argue against this just proves how petty you are. Please reconsider your flawed logic.

[Samoht]

You are literally the first person I've EVER heard try to claim that.

You haven't been reading this thread at all have you. There have been many posters with opinions on both sides. It is your argument that is disingenuous here:

Power leveling involves keep the person healed, constant damage shields, and/or taking damage for them. Buffing someones with an HP buff or haste not the same thing as power leveling them, if they are doing all of the fighting themselves. The fact that you are trying to argue against this just proves how petty you are. Please reconsider your flawed logic.

It is not my logic that is flawed. You are focused so much on me arguing that it is like being power leveled that you're moving the goal posts. It is easy to prove that you're not being PLed. But it is not easy to prove that you could do this without outside buffs.

[shovelquest]

If you guys could go this hard on fusion so we could finally get that technology, that'd be great.

[Stryker85]

You haven't been reading this thread at all have you. There have been many posters with opinions on both sides. It is your argument that is disingenuous here:

It is not my logic that is flawed. You are focused so much on me arguing that it is like being power leveled that you're moving the goal posts. It is easy to prove that you're not being PLed. But it is not easy to prove that you could do this without outside buffs.

That might be even more stupid than your solo VS PL argument. You must not understand how this game works if you really think I can't solo it without raid buffs.

You do realize I can fight the king for 15+ minutes straight using consumables, right?? Do you honestly think I can't kill it in 15 minutes with drinking 40+ worts and a Reaper?? No one can be THAT stupid, surely you must be trolling...

[Samoht]

You do realize I can fight the king for 15+ minutes straight using consumables, right?? Do you honestly not think I can't kill it in 15 minutes with drinking 40+ worts and a Reaper??

I'm not the one posting to claim that I did it, tho. You did. Your claim is proven to be factually incorrect at this point, and I'm still waiting for the solo kill to be posted.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Is there a way to fast forward through this bullshit and make you get to the point?

Alright. So you have no disagreement on the DPS numbers from the sound of it.

OP's Magelo:

https://wiki.project1999.com/index.php?title=Magelo_Blue:Sscalez&action=view&preload=&editintro=&section=

OP's video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wONdIYAofyQ

OP's Parse:

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/822724075079073792/1391840185486147836/image.png?ex=686d5baf&is=686c0a2f&hm=b595e7b86cd7d5c571c069e02a60e1baee8f93c9bd92ceb 5ff197546521145bb&

6500 damage / 110 seconds = ~59 DPS from Fungi King to OP.

OP has like 210 STR unbuffed roughly speaking. He is using what apprears to be a Silent Fang Choker (Flurry Neck) over Valtron's (Vulak Neck) in his video.

Monk Epic gives +20 ATK at the cost of 18% haste when compared to VoG. This means VoG + Aego + FoS was giving OP +45 STR and 18% Haste when looking at the DPS portion of the math.

At 0% Haste, OP's DPS would be halved. So 62 DPS. 62 × 0.81 = 50 DPS. Lets say the STR difference reduces DPS by another 4 DPS. 62 DPS + 50 DPS - 4 DPS = 108 DPS

This means OP would be doing 108 DPS without raid buffs.

18600 HP / 108 DPS = 172 seconds for the fight instead of 18500 HP / 124 DPS = 149 seconds.

Remember that OP was only getting hit for 110 seconds before Fungi King Started Running.

110 seconds / 149 seconds = 0.74 × 172 seconds = 126 seconds.

126 seconds - 110 Seconds = 16 Seconds.

The portion of the fight where OP was getting hit would have lasted 16 more seconds without raid buffs.

16 seconds x 60 DPS from Fungi King = 960 damage. We can round that up and say 4 Wort Pot Charges would be needed without raid buffs on the DPS side.

Going back to the HP portion of the raid buffs:


FoS + Aego gives 1505 HP. Wort Pots heal for 300. 1500 / 300 = 5. So we get 5 Wort Pot charges from the Max HP. Based on the video OP only used his max HP once, he was not healed to full. 25% of 1500 HP is 375, so that is another Wort Pot charge from 1x mend.

We have 6 Wort Pot Charges so far.


6 Wort Pot Charges from the extra HP + 4 Wort Pot Charges from the extra DPS = one 10 Dose Wort Pot to do the same video without VoG + Aego + FoS.

One 10 dose wort pot heals 3000 HP, and OP has 3700 HP without Aego + FoS. The 3000 HP is less than a reaper for OP.

OP can do this fight with a single 10 dose wort pot if he didn't have raid buffs.

[Samoht]

Are you assuming 100% up time on monk epic? I'll believe it when I see it.

[Stryker85]

I'm not the one posting to claim that I did it, tho. You did. Your claim is proven to be factually incorrect at this point, and I'm still waiting for the solo kill to be posted.

What??? That literally does not even make sense! LOL OF COURSE its soloable without raid buffs when I could just bring 8 bags or Wort Pots to keep me healed all day.

So you really are that stupid then - got it.

[Samoht]

What??? That literally does not even make sense! LOL OF COURSE its soloable without raid buffs when I could just bring 8 bags or Wort Pots to keep me healed all day.

So you really are that stupid then - got it.

And you're a liar. Because you didn't do it.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Are you assuming 100% up time on monk epic? I'll believe it when I see it.

It sounds like you agree with my math then.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3747171&postcount=651

OP could have done the same video with a single 10 Dose Wort Pot, which is less HP than a reaper for OP, who has 3700 HP without FoS + Aego.

I am not sure why you think clicking monk epic once every 18 seconds is hard. I have 100% uptime on my monk consistently.

You have been proven wrong.

Back on topic:

Reposting OP's epic video where he kills Fungi King solo with his monk, no consumables:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wONdIYAofyQ

https://wiki.project1999.com/Solo_Artist_Challenge

It deserves the highest ranking of [S] when following the solo artist challenge wiki page. Please note the wiki page was changed after OP did his video, and the changes are still in dispute. [S+] did not exist as a rank previously.

[Stryker85]

And you're a liar. Because you didn't do it.

LOL Mmm'kay, more dumbass logic by someone with absolutely zero ground to stand on. Why would I waste a ton of plat just to prove something that anyone with half a brain can understand?? Do you realize that 1 wort pot would add 3,000 HP, available at instant click speed??? That means that ONE 10 slot bag of wort pots would increase my effective HP by 30,0000 HP.... 30k HP... Are you seriously that fucking stupid to sit here and try to tell me that 10 bags of 10 dose wort pots would not allow me to solo the king without buffs?? THAT'S 300,000 extra HP you fucking moron...

God, why am I even wasting my time on you retards?? You and Zuranthium must have a collective IQ of about 37. Your "logic" is so far beyond flawed, it's completely disingenuous. It just refutes your own arguments, funny enough. You just keep making yourself look stupider and stupider with every post.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

LOL Mmm'kay, more dumbass logic by someone with absolutely zero ground to stand on. Why would I waste a ton of plat just to prove something that anyone with half a brain can understand?? Do you realize that 1 wort pot would add 3,000 HP, available at instant click speed??? That means that ONE 10 slot bag of wort pots would increase my effective HP by 30,0000 HP.... 30k HP... Are you seriously that fucking stupid to sit here and try to tell me that 10 bags of 10 dose wort pots would not allow me to solo the king without buffs?? THAT'S 300,000 extra HP you fucking moron...

God, why am I even wasting my time on you retards?? You and Zuranthium must have a collective IQ of about 37. Your "logic" is so far beyond flawed, it's completely disingenuous. It just refutes your own arguments, funny enough. You just keep making yourself look stupider and stupider with every post.

Based on the math you only needed one 10 dose wort pot if you didn't have VoG + Aego + FoS.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3747171&postcount=651

I did actually forget to include your regen. 15 HP from Fungi + 10 From Dain Ring + 12 from Iksar regen = 37 HP per tick. In 126 seconds you would have regenerated two Wort Pot Clicks. So 8 charges of your 10 Dose Wort Pot. Your regen is why it looks like you only took ~6000 damage in the video instead of the 6500 damage recorded in your parse.

So even by Samoht and Zuranthium's standards you meet the "moderate" usage of clickies/consumables. You are getting less HP from the 8 charges of a 10 dose wort pot than a Reaper, as your 3700 HP without Aego + FoS is greater than the 2400 HP gained from the 8 charges of a 10 dose wort pot.

Both Zuranthium and Samoht simply cannot concede any ground, so they will just keep doubling down with incorrect information, fallacies, and personal attacks. It is sad. If they were acting like normal humans they would have conceded long ago.

Reposting OP's epic video where he kills Fungi King solo with his monk, no consumables:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wONdIYAofyQ

https://wiki.project1999.com/Solo_Artist_Challenge

It deserves the highest ranking of [S] when following the solo artist challenge wiki page. Please note the wiki page was changed after OP did his video, and the changes are still in dispute. [S+] did not exist as a rank previously.

[Samoht]

Do you realize that 1 wort pot would add 3,000 HP, available at instant click speed??? That means that ONE 10 slot bag of wort pots would increase my effective HP by 30,0000 HP.... 30k HP

There are a lot more outside factors to this than just effective HP. Would you be able to split it soon enough and kill it ahead of respawns? Would your DPS be high enough? Would you be able to juggle all your clickies and keep high enough up time of monk epic if/when the shit hits the fan?

Those are the skills you're neglecting. I'm sure there are more.

Doing it without outside buffs is what would make this an S+ kill.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

There are a lot more outside factors to this than just effective HP. Would you be able to split it soon enough and kill it ahead of respawns? Would your DPS be high enough? Would you be able to juggle all your clickies and keep high enough up time of monk epic if/when the shit hits the fan?

Those are the skills you're neglecting. I'm sure there are more.

Doing it without outside buffs is what would make this an S+ kill.

Finally Samoht has conceded it was an [S] kill. The [S+] rank did not exist when OP created his video. That rank was created simply to troll this thread, just like your [B] rankings. Nobody cares about your adjustments to the ranks after the fact.

Samoht hasn't pushed back against my math either:

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3747171&postcount=651

I did actually forget to include regen. 15 HP from Fungi + 10 From Dain Ring + 12 from Iksar regen = 37 HP per tick. In 126 seconds OP would have regenerated two Wort Pot Clicks. So 8 charges of a 10 Dose Wort Pot. OP's regen is why it looks like he only took ~6000 damage in the video instead of the 6500 damage recorded in his parse.

You have been defeated.

[Samoht]

Finally Samoht has conceded it was an [S] kill. The [S+] rank did not exist when OP created his video. That rank was created simply to troll this thread, just like your [B] rankings. Nobody cares about your adjustments to the ranks after the fact.

Samoht hasn't pushed back against my math either:

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3747171&postcount=651

You have been defeated.

Please don't put words in my mouth. You're terrible enough at managing the bullshit that comes from yours.

I've already shown you the mistakes in your methods. You can choose to ignore them all you wish.

ITT: DSM loses discussion horribly to the point people refuse to acknowledge him or his terrible math. DSM declares victory. Typical DSM behavior.

[Samoht]

Oh, and I forgot to mention: only one of us displayed the lack of self control that made us receive a suspension from the wiki. Hint: it wasn't me.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Please don't put words in my mouth. You're terrible enough at managing the bullshit that comes from yours.

I've already shown you the mistakes in your methods. You can choose to ignore them all you wish.

ITT: DSM loses discussion horribly to the point people refuse to acknowledge him or his terrible math. DSM declares victory. Typical DSM behavior.

Please show me where the flaws are in my math. You didn't address this post at all:

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3747171&postcount=651

If it isn't an [S] kill, what is it?

[shovelquest]

Someone abusing their ability to hand out suspensions is not the W you think it is sam :o

[Samoht]

Someone abusing their ability to hand out suspensions is not the W you think it is sam :o

Did you see how much raging he was doing in the wiki? The suspension was well deserved.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Did you see how much raging he was doing in the wiki? The suspension was well deserved.

This is a lie.

Please show me where the flaws are in my math. You didn't address this post at all:

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3747171&postcount=651

I did actually forget to include OP's regen. 15 HP from Fungi + 10 From Dain Ring + 12 from Iksar regen = 37 HP per tick. In 126 seconds OP would have regenerated two Wort Pot Clicks. So 8 charges of a 10 Dose Wort Pot. OP's regen is why it looks like he only took ~6000 damage in the video instead of the 6500 damage recorded in his parse.

If it isn't an [S] kill, what is it?

[Stryker85]

There are a lot more outside factors to this than just effective HP. Would you be able to split it soon enough and kill it ahead of respawns? Would your DPS be high enough? Would you be able to juggle all your clickies and keep high enough up time of monk epic if/when the shit hits the fan?

Those are the skills you're neglecting. I'm sure there are more.

Doing it without outside buffs is what would make this an S+ kill.

OK, now you're actually asking some pertinent questions. Thank you for cutting the bullshit.

To answer your questions in order:
Outside buffs have absolutely zero effect on the pull / split, so that part is moot.
However, you raise a fair point in that I would have less time to kill the king with the frogs dying slower, that is true, but the DPS difference between VoG haste VS monk epic haste alone is not nearly as big as you might think.
Yes it would be more difficult, but only time wise, the spore king fight itself would not be any more challenging at all. In fact the actual king kill would be considerably easier with the safety net of having consumables at the ready.
But it would mean that I have a little less time for the pull, snare, and recovery before engage. Is it still possible? - Yes, but it would require more favorable RNG to be on my side.
I'm not sure what you're talking about with managing clickies and monk epic though... those would not be effected by consumables at all.

Thank you for finally making a fair and legitimate argument though. Kudos.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

OK, now you're actually asking some pertinent questions. Thank you for cutting the bullshit.

To answer your questions in order:
Outside buffs have absolutely zero effect on the pull / split, so that part is moot.
However, you raise a fair point in that I would have less time to kill the king with the frogs dying slower, that is true, but the DPS difference between VoG haste VS just monk epic haste is not nearly as big as you might think.
Yes it would be more difficult, but only time wise, the spore king fight itself would not be any more challenging at all. In fact the actual king kill would be considerably easier with the safety net of having consumables at the ready.
But it would mean that I have a little less time for the pull, snare, and recovery before engage. Is it still possible? - Yes, but it would require more favorable RNG to be on my side.

Thank you for finally making a fair and legitimate argument though. Kudos.

You can correct me if I am wrong, but based on the video I don't see a significant time difference without buffs. You'd have 1500 less HP to regen before the fungi King fight starts, and the lower DPS would only increase the King fight by ~22 seconds according to the math. Each frog shouldn't have been more than +22 seconds each, as they are easier mobs. It takes a bit over 3 minutes to regen that 1500 extra HP from Aego and FoS with 43 HP regen via sitting.

[Stryker85]

You can correct me if I am wrong, but based on the video I don't see a significant time difference without buffs. You'd have 1500 less HP to regen before the fungi King fight starts, and the lower DPS would only increase the King fight by ~22 seconds according to the math. Each frog shouldn't have been more than +22 seconds each, as they are easier mobs. It takes a bit over 3 minutes to regen that 1500 extra HP from Aego and FoS with 43 HP regen via sitting.

It's not really the HP loss from buffs that would affect anything. The only significant loss from doing it self buffed (with consumables) would be a slightly tighter clock to get the king dead before frog respawns, due to not having VoG. The time difference between VoG and just monk epic isn't that drastic though. I would guestimate that having VoG saves me about 1-2 minutes per cycle, which could definitely end up being the difference between having time for the kill, or not - depending on the pull/snare RNG I got that round.

So yes, not having VoG would make it harder, but not impossible. He actually did raise a valid point that was worth discussing this time.

Edit: Actually, after thinking about it some more, if I were using consumables, I wouldn't even need to bother wasting time with procing snare and regening up afterwards. I would just start the fight immediately when I got back to camp. With that in mind, not having VoG would actually make no difference at all really, sure it would be a slightly longer fight, but that's what 300k HP worth of consumables are for lol.

Regardless though, I still think it was a valid and fair question to pose, so thanks again for actually arguing in good faith this time.

[Zuranthium]

You are getting less HP from the 10 dose wort pot than a Reaper

This is irrelevant, why do you keep talking about it? It's already been known for a long time that Monks can kill spore king with a couple outside buffs or a single wort pot.

Killing something with ZERO outside buffs or consumables is the highest tier of solo achievement, and the entire point of the conversation. Every class has a certain ceiling they can achieve; discovering that ceiling is one of the reasons to do solo challenges.

I have ran the numbers, I DO have the gear

You've done no concrete math in this thread. You have not run the numbers on the exact effect of proccing debuff and what your DPS output would be self buffed and fist swapping the entire time.

And if you have the gear then why didn't you use it? There's no reason to not have Spikecoat up if you have that item.

The exact BIS gear for a Monk would also include Shroud of Longevity and Fungi staff. You obviously do not have those items and have not calculated the actual top potential of what a BIS Monk could do completely solo. There were Monks in 2015 on p99 who were better geared than you are now.

I was also the #1 ranked SK world-wide on Magelo rankings during Solteris - Underfoot eras when my guild was competing for world first raid kills

That is not any relevant achievement in the world of gaming, LMAO. Playing PvE EQ in 2009. No wonder you are so ignorant and insane in this thread, you seriously think this means something. You're desperately clinging onto feeling like wasting years and years and years of your life grinding in EQ is something special.

If it was that easy, every monk would do it.

Every good monk HAS been doing it, for decades now. One of the most common sights on Red was Monks' staffs constantly disappearing and reappearing in combat.

It's a low tier gaming input. Requires no tactical involvement, no understanding of complex systems, and no truly challenging amount of coordination or reflexes. Something you don't understand and likely never will, because you are not a competitive rts gamer.

Using 1 character that's buffed to fight the mob is not the same thing as fighting the mob with 4 characters you disingenuous piece of shit.

Using 4 characters does not mean fighting continuously with 4 characters. You are the disingenuous person here, and still can't even comprehend basic math and basic text.

You factually used the abilities of 4 characters, and an additional player, in order to complete the encounter. Nothing you say will ever change that. You could easily use 3 characters instead, I already kindly granted you that for the solo challenge recognition, but either way you are still using ANOTHER PLAYER to do the kill.

Buffs are the same thing, in effect, as getting healed during a fight or someone contributing extra DPS. Until you admit this, you're delusional.

[Stryker85]

This is irrelevant, why do you keep talking about it? It's already been known for a long time that Monks can kill spore king with a couple outside buffs or a single wort pot.

Killing something with ZERO outside buffs or consumables is the highest tier of solo achievement, and the entire point of the conversation. Every class has a certain ceiling they can achieve; discovering that ceiling is one of the reasons to do solo challenges.



You've done no concrete math in this thread. You have not run the numbers on the exact effect of proccing debuff and what your DPS output would be self buffed and fist swapping the entire time.

And if you have the gear then why didn't you use it? There's no reason to not have Spikecoat up if you have that item.

The exact BIS gear for a Monk would also include Shroud of Longevity and Fungi staff. You obviously do not have those items and have not calculated the actual top potential of what a BIS Monk could do completely solo. There were Monks in 2015 on p99 who were better geared than you are now.



That is not any relevant achievement in the world of gaming, LMAO. Playing PvE EQ in 2009. No wonder you are so ignorant and insane in this thread, you seriously think this means something. You're desperately clinging onto feeling like wasting years and years and years of your life grinding in EQ is something special.



Every good monk HAS been doing it, for decades now. One of the most common sights on Red was Monks' staffs constantly disappearing and reappearing in combat.

It's a low tier gaming input. Requires no tactical involvement, no understanding of complex systems, and no truly challenging amount of coordination or reflexes. Something you don't understand and likely never will, because you are not a competitive rts gamer.



Using 4 characters does not mean fighting continuously with 4 characters. You are the disingenuous person here, and still can't even comprehend basic math and basic text.

You factually used the abilities of 4 characters, and an additional player, in order to complete the encounter. Nothing you say will ever change that. You could easily use 3 characters instead, I already kindly granted you that for the solo challenge recognition, but either way you are still using ANOTHER PLAYER to do the kill.

Buffs are the same thing, in effect, as getting healed during a fight or someone contributing extra DPS. Until you admit this, you're delusional.

LOL - Confirmed, both delusional and disingenuous. TLDR: Can't do shit, won't do shit, never will do shit. Just a bunch of talk with absolutely nothing to back any of it up. Keep pissing in the wind buddy, nobody here takes anything you say seriously. You're just making yourself look dumber and dumber with every post.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

This is irrelevant, why do you keep talking about it? It's already been known for a long time that Monks can kill spore king with a couple outside buffs or a single wort pot

It's not irrelevant. You have been claiming OP didn't do this kill solo, which is completely false. The amount of benefit OP got from the raid buffs was equivalent to 8 charges of a 10 dose wort pot. There was no difference mathematically between the raid buffs and the "moderate" use of a wort pot using your own standards.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3747171&postcount=651

My math post destroys your argument below completely.


Buffs are the same thing, in effect, as getting healed during a fight or someone contributing extra DPS. Until you admit this, you're delusional.


Back on topic:

Reposting OP's epic video where he kills Fungi King solo with his monk, no consumables:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wONdIYAofyQ

https://wiki.project1999.com/Solo_Artist_Challenge

It deserves the highest ranking of [S] when following the solo artist challenge wiki page. Please note the wiki page was changed after OP did his video, and the changes are still in dispute. [S+] did not exist as a rank previously.

[Stryker85]

Buffs are the same thing, in effect, as getting healed during a fight or someone contributing extra DPS. Until you admit this, you're delusional.

This statement right here sums up just exactly how disingenuous and deranged you really are. Any sane person with an ounce of logic in their body can read this sentence and decide for themselves which one of us is delusional.

Being buffed does not equal having someone there healing you and DPSing for you. The fact that you are trying to argue against this with a straight face (maybe? or maybe you're actually cracking up behind the monitor, in which case - well played), tells us all everything we need to know about how retarded you really are.

[Zuranthium]

It's not irrelevant. You have been claiming OP didn't do this kill solo, which is completely false. The amount of benefit OP got from the outside buffs was equivalent to 8 charges of a 10 dose wort pot.

You two clowns are incapable of comprehending the simplest things people say.

Solo means no outside buffs and no consumables. That's the ENTIRE discussion that's been taking placing in this thread from the start, and was explicitly stated yet again in the post you quoted. Jesus christ.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

You two clowns are incapable of comprehending the simplest things people say.

Solo means no outside buffs and no consumables. That's the ENTIRE discussion that's been taking placing in this thread from the start, and was explicitly stated yet again in the post you quoted. Jesus christ.

Your own edits to the solo challenge page say you can use outside buffs for [S] rank. Are you saying your own edits to the solo challenge page are for non-solo rules? Why did you edit the solo challenge page then? Your edits are off topic.

[Stryker85]

You two clowns are incapable of comprehending the simplest things people say.

Solo means no outside buffs and no consumables. That's the ENTIRE discussion that's been taking placing in this thread from the start, and was explicitly stated yet again in the post you quoted. Jesus christ.

Says you and one other delusional person. Why don't you go make a poll in the p99 blue general chat and see how many people agree with you? I'm willing to put platinum down that you'll be outvoted 10 to 1. You are the only deranged person here that is trying to equate being buffed as the same thing as having multiple people there with you assisting with the kill.

Who made you the ultimate decider for what the definition of solo should be? Especially when the ENTIRE SERVER, hell all of p99 period, green, blue, and red, would all disagree with you. 10-1, if not more.

[Zuranthium]

Your own edits to the solo challenge page say you can use outside buffs for [S] rank.

Yeah and notice how there is an S+ rank that says no outside buffs and no consumables.

S+ is the only true solo rank, but the solo challenge page is not limited to the exact definition of the word "solo". It's something that provides for many different tiers of challenges.

Especially when the ENTIRE SERVER, hell all of p99 period, green, blue, and red, would all disagree with you. 10-1, if not more.

Completely wrong. There are tons of people who explicitly solo without no outside buffs and no consumables. The solo challenge page needs to reflect the factual different ways that people play the game and attempt challenges. Stop trying to ignore reality, just because you're selfishly mad.

This statement right here sums up just exactly how disingenuous and deranged you really are. Any sane person with an ounce of logic in their body can read this sentence and decide for themselves which one of us is delusional.

Being buffed does not equal having someone there healing you and DPSing for you

Indeed any sane person with a respectable IQ can see how completely illogical you are and completely incapable of understanding basic math. Thanks for proving it yet again.

Aegolism is no different than someone directly casting a 1,000-ish point heal on you during a fight. Haste/STR/ATK/DS buffs are no different than someone casting a damage spell that does the amount of damage those buffs provided. The fight has the exact same result in both cases.

[Stryker85]

Indeed any sane person with a respectable IQ can see how completely illogical you are and completely incapable of understanding basic math. Thanks for proving it yet again.

Aegolism is no different than someone directly casting a 1,000-ish point heal on you during a fight. Haste/STR/ATK/DS buffs are no different than someone casting a damage spell that does the amount of damage those buffs provided. The fight has the exact same result in both cases.

Again, every single post you make just makes you look more and more retarded. You know what the difference is between having Aegolism and having someone there casting 1100 pt heal is?? One of them is a BUFF that lasts for 2 and a half HOURS and doesn't require them to be anywhere NEAR you or apart of the fight. The other is a HEAL that DOES require them to be near you AND apart of the fight? I can't spell it out for you anymore clearly than this.

And I'm quite confident anyone with an IQ higher than 35 can comprehend that. Why don't you go make that poll if you think otherwise? What are you waiting for? I'll even type it up for you:

If you have an Aegolism, Focus, and VoG from another group, but were alone in fighting the myconid spore king by yourself, with only you on the encounter logs for the fight, being the only person involved in the pull, the only one taking damage, dealing damage, and ultimately killing the king, do those non-self buffs negate it from being considered a solo kill? What say ye:
- Yes, having buffs from other classes means you didn't solo it, even if they were not involved in the fight.
- No, it would still be considered a solo kill even with buffs if it was just you alone fighting it.

Let's see what the vast majority of the active EQ population thinks. I'm pretty sure we all know it's going to be a landslide, and not the way you want it to be.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Yeah and notice how there is an S+ rank that says no outside buffs and no consumables.

S+ is the only true solo rank, but the solo challenge page is not limited to the exact definition of the word "solo". It's something that provides for many different tiers of challenges.


This is incorrect. The community did not agree to your S+ rank, or the idea that it is the only "true solo" rank. You simply edited the wiki after OP posted his video to troll this thread. The wiki will be fixed, do not worry.

Back on topic:

Reposting OP's epic video where he kills Fungi King solo with his monk, no consumables:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wONdIYAofyQ

https://wiki.project1999.com/Solo_Artist_Challenge

It deserves the highest ranking of [S] when following the solo artist challenge wiki page. Please note the wiki page was changed after OP did his video, and the changes are still in dispute. [S+] did not exist as a rank previously.

[Zuranthium]

You simply edited the wiki after OP posted his video to troll this thread.

That's what you keep trying to tell yourself in order to ignore reason. It's what you always do.

The wiki was outdated and need to be updated. For over a decade people have said these exact same things. It's documented on the forums. There was simply no wiki page in existence for many years and most people didn't know or didn't care about the wiki page after it did get created. That initial page was simply a copy of one very old post. It was never reflective of the whole community.

Nothing you say will change the fact of how people solo and attempt challenges. Using no outside buffs and no consumables is a common thing, and has been widely appreciated in video comments of challenges.

You know what the difference is between having Aegolism and having someone there casting 1100 pt heal is?? One of them is a BUFF that lasts for 2 and a half HOURS and doesn't require them to be anywhere NEAR you or apart of the fight.

That's completely irrelevant to the outcome of a fight. It's the same end result, the same cheat being applied to the challenge.

You're actually just showing how Aegolism can be even MORE of a cheat than getting a heal during the fight, since it can allow you to pull better and allows you to heal up past your normal max health, allowing for more tries at being able to complete the encounter.

Truly astounding how incapable you are of understanding basic mechanics and how deliriously you've spun yourself into the most Trumpian depths possible, wildly trying to refute and failing to understand simple facts that elementary school kids are capable of grasping.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Nothing you say will change the fact of how people solo and attempt challenges. Using no outside buffs and no consumables is a common thing, and has been widely appreciated in video comments of challenges.

You do realize you are the only one trying to limit the definition of solo to "no outside buffs no consumables", right?

Other methods of soloing like having outside buffs or using Wort Pots are also a common thing. Nothing will change that fact, not even your trolling of the wiki.

[Stryker85]

That's what you keep trying to tell yourself in order to ignore reason. It's what you always do.

The wiki was outdated and need to be updated. For over a decade people have said these exact same things. It's documented on the forums. There was simply no wiki page in existence for many years and most people didn't know or didn't care about the wiki page after it did get created. That initial page was simply a copy of one very old post. It was never reflective of the whole community.

Nothing you say will change the fact of how people solo and attempt challenges. Using no outside buffs and no consumables is a common thing, and has been widely appreciated in video comments of challenges.



That's completely irrelevant to the outcome of a fight. It's the same end result, the same cheat being applied to the challenge.

You're actually just showing how Aegolism can be even MORE of a cheat than getting a heal during the fight, since it can allow you to pull better and allows you to heal up past your normal max health, allowing for more tries at being able to complete the encounter.

Truly astounding how incapable you are of understanding basic mechanics and how deliriously you've spun yourself into the most Trumpian depths possible, wildly trying to refute and failing to understand simple facts that elementary school kids are capable of grasping.

Your backwards dumbass logic isn't working on anyone here. Sure, people have challenged themselves to kill certain mobs with only self buffs and limited consumables (no consumables was never even a thing until you created the S+ rank on the wiki), but guess what? That does NOT MEAN that completing a challenge with buffs disqualifies it from being considered a solo kill. Anyone with an IQ above 35 can comprehend that.

I even gave you an out to try to gain some ground in this argument without logging on, just by making a poll and asking the general EQ population. Funny, there's no mention of that in your posts since I brought it up. It's almost like you know you're full of shit, and you're just playing devil's advocate to satisfy your own delusions.

Until you either log in to prove LITERALLY ANY of the bullshit you say, or at least make a poll since you think your opinion is widely agreed upon, you're just pissing in the wind. Keep digging that hole deeper and deeper.

[Zuranthium]

You do realize you are the only one trying to limit the definition of solo to "no outside buffs no consumables", right?

Wrong. Tons of people have felt this way for decades. Plenty of people in this thread have said it. And it's the reality of soloing in EQ - those things simply aren't available all the time, even if your character has the best gear possible and infinite money. If you are camped out in some remote area to farm something and you log on one day and the zone is dead and nobody can come help, then you can only depend on yourself and what your character is able to do sustainably.

The majority of solo challenges have in fact been completed with no outside buffs or consumables, and it's why things like solo self-found exist. Because people are trying to give themselves an actual SOLO challenge and see how far they can push the capabilities of a single class without using Pay-2-Win items.

But of course, that's why there are different kinds of challenges. If you want to see how far a character can go while using Puppet Strings, then go do it. Just don't expect to be considered in the same category as other types of challenges.

That does NOT MEAN that completing a challenge with buffs disqualifies it from being considered a solo kill.

It disqualifies it from being an S+ kill for the purposes of solo challenges, seeing as there was factually outside assistance. There are many different tiers available for people to attempt.

Funny how you've completely ignored everything that was said about the math and mechanics. You know you're wrong and have no way to argue. So you just resort to Trumpian spamming in order to try and deflect, deflect, deflect. You don't care about the truth, nor trying to build something better, nor trying to accurately categorize what EQ players have done. You only care about your own ego.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Wrong. Tons of people have felt this way for decades.

I've been on the forum and playing P99 since 2014. I haven't seen this massive amount of players who desire to narrowly define solo challenges as no buffs and no consumables only. You are the first person I've seen do this from what I can remember. I haven't seen people claim getting outside buffs counts as grouping either. Especially when those buffers are literally logged off.

I'd ask for evidence of your claims, but you won't provide any.

[Snaggles]

People can either barely beat difficult npcs using a set of advantages and detailing those transparently…or die and keep record of how much health they depleted of the mobs before that happened.

Which is more ideal?
“I killed it with A and B, but not C”
Or…
“I got %t to 32% before it killed me. Gonna go add myself to the solo kill sheet.”

This is horrendously stupid.

[Stryker85]

Wrong. Tons of people have felt this way for decades. Plenty of people in this thread have said it. And it's the reality of soloing in EQ - those things simply aren't available all the time, even if your character has the best gear possible and infinite money. If you are camped out in some remote area to farm something and you log on one day and the zone is dead and nobody can come help, then you can only depend on yourself and what your character is able to do sustainably.

The majority of solo challenges have in fact been completed with no outside buffs or consumables, and it's why things like solo self-found exist. Because people are trying to give themselves an actual SOLO challenge and see how far they can push the capabilities of a single class without using Pay-2-Win items.

But of course, that's why there are different kinds of challenges. If you want to see how far a character can go while using Puppet Strings, then go do it. Just don't expect to be considered in the same category as other types of challenges.

This is just more flawed logic. Please explain why you think that just because those buffs aren't available ALL the time, that somehow means that all your achievements when those buffs ARE available are somehow null and void. Before you re-wrote the original version of the Solo Artist Challenge to suit your own narrative, it said (and will say again once we have it changed back) "In general the idea is that you could zone in and kill the mob on your own. Outside buffs are not permitted for casters; melee can get as many buffs as they like as they are already at a considerable disadvantage."

How convenient that you just happen to delete the main paragraph that completely refutes your idiotic claims, which was written by THE PERSON WHO CREATED THE WHOLE SOLO ARTIST CHALLENGE IN THE FIRST PLACE.

Again, you just keep making yourself look like a fool, and a jealous little bitch for trying to change the rules to suit your own personal deranged agenda.


It disqualifies it from being an S+ kill for the purposes of solo challenges, seeing as there was factually outside assistance. There are many different tiers available for people to attempt.

Ohhh so now you're finally conceding that it WAS a solo kill after all, and having buffs doesn't somehow magically negate that, but it just doesn't live up to your made up "S+ rank" that didn't exist until a few days ago. Got it. I'm sure that's the best we're going to get out of you, so I'll just leave it there. Don't you worry though, S+ won't even exist soon enough, and that little paragraph you deleted will be reverted along with everything else you changed for your own agenda.


Funny how you've completely ignored everything that was said about the math and mechanics. You know you're wrong and have no way to argue. So you just resort to Trumpian spamming in order to try and deflect, deflect, deflect. You don't care about the truth, nor trying to build something better, nor trying to accurately categorize what EQ players have done. You only care about your own ego.

LOL sorry I'm not going to dignify your idiotic suggestions, like trying to proc a steal strength on the king, with a response or even 2 seconds of my time. Anyone here on these forums that's played this game at a high level can confirm how stupid this is.

The only person deflecting here is you. We're all still waiting for you to log on and show us ANYTHING, or make a poll and see what the general EQ population thinks. I won't hold my breath.

[Zuranthium]

I'd ask for evidence of your claims, but you won't provide any.

It's already been provided, countless times. You refuse to listen.

The majority of solo challenges have been completed with no outside buffs and no consumables. There are hundreds of videos out there for people to watch, I've been cataloguing them, and that's not even counting solo self-found challenges. Several have already been linked in this thread.

It's a clear tier of its own, and plenty of people have said so ever since 2012 when the solo challenge concept came into existence. So ridiculous to even have to discuss this. People soloing with only self-buffs and no consumables is obviously a thing that happens daily and it's the most classic form of soloing in EQ, and a necessary one for anyone new to a server or on a server like Red that doesn't have item recharging.

Ohhh so now you're finally conceding that it WAS a solo kill after all

No, it was NOT a solo kill. You used outside help. And you need to seek serious outside help IRL to remedy your total lack of reading comprehension and failure to understand basic math.

What you did is one specific mode of playing the game that falls within the "challenge" spectrum. In terms of the actual definition of the word "solo", it's not what you did. But again, the solo challenge page is not about a singular definition of the word solo. It's something that reflects the many different ways the game can be approached. The solo challenge page also includes Duos, and the Duos follow all the exact same rules about using outside help and consumables.

[Goregasmic]

You guys are basically fighting for how high the bar for soloing is. I think it boils down to needing separate solo categories.

Solo means with no outside help but you can't claim with a straight face you had no outside help if you're raid buffed for the attempt. You can't also claim getting haste/regen/maxhp/stats from buffs doesn't create a HUGE gap between that player and the one who does a "pure" solo (only self buffed) so putting both types of attempts on the same level is unfair.

But then you open the can of worms of if buffing is considered outside help, you could consider being raid geared to the gills outside help too so then it becomes a self found challenge by default. Raid gear guy unbuffed might have better stats than a non raid gear player with outside buffs so it all becomes hazy. Just giving aegolism to a caster nearly doubles their hp.

And then we could discuss puppet strings.

I think all kills are valid and impressive but it is disengenuous to try to default them to being all the same because they're absolutely not.

[Duik]

^
Sounds good Gorg. All single kills are good.

I liked your unbuffed N raid geared vs outside buffs and EC/ droppable geared comparison.

Stryker, well done buddy. I dont care what "tier" it ends up being. Great job.

Everyone else. Just stop.

[Stryker85]

No, it was NOT a solo kill. You used outside help. And you need to seek serious outside help IRL to remedy your total lack of reading comprehension and failure to understand basic math.

What you did is one specific mode of playing the game that falls within the "challenge" spectrum. In terms of the actual definition of the word "solo", it's not what you did. But again, the solo challenge page is not about a singular definition of the word solo. It's something that reflects the many different ways the game can be approached. The solo challenge page also includes Duos, and the Duos follow all the exact same rules about using outside help and consumables.

You are the only one gate keeping the definition of a "solo kill" under YOUR OWN standards. There's a reason the wiki had a whole section about what is and what is not allowed for outside buffs, and for which classes. Convenient that you deleted all of that to support your own argument. Anyone can claim anything is true if they're the ones editing the history books. Do I need to copy/paste it every time you post to remind everyone that all of this is your OWN AGENDA that you're trying to push, and goes against the very standards that the creator of the challenge set.
"In general the idea is that you could zone in and kill the mob on your own. Outside buffs are not permitted for casters; melee can get as many buffs as they like as they are already at a considerable disadvantage."

It doesn't get any more clear than that. Nothing you can ever say will change what the original standards for the challenge were. Funny how you only saw the need to change things after someone posts a video like this, but nooo you're not envious at all, right?

You guys are basically fighting for how high the bar for soloing is. I think it boils down to needing separate solo categories.

Needing a separate category for an unbuffed kill WITH no consumables would imply that it is possible to do under those conditions in the first place - News Flash: It's not. How about this, if you want to create a rank higher than what was previously listed, then how about you go out and prove that its possible under those conditions before you make up said rank.


But then you open the can of worms of if buffing is considered outside help, you could consider being raid geared to the gills outside help too so then it becomes a self found challenge by default. Raid gear guy unbuffed might have better stats than a non raid gear player with outside buffs so it all becomes hazy. Just giving aegolism to a caster nearly doubles their hp.

LOL OK - So let me get this straight, now raid gear is considered outside help too?? Jesus, the levels of copium here are insane.


I think all kills are valid and impressive but it is disengenuous to try to default them to being all the same because they're absolutely not.

No one here is trying to "default them to being all the same" at all. We're just simply saying that adding a rank higher than what was previously considered the top echelon of the challenge should only be done after someone proves that it's even possible to do so in the first place. You can't sit there and claim "wElL yA, bUt YoU cOuLd'Ve DoNe It UnDeR hArDeR cOnDiTiOnS" if no one has ever shown that its even remotely possible to do under those conditions.

My no charge kill was done under the absolute hardest conditions that anyone has ever solo'd the king under. There's only been 2 people that have solo'd the king prior. One used multiple "strong clicky" charges like puppet strings, slowstone amber, etc. The other used multiple characters for the kill (a druid for the pull, and then a chanter for the kill). Trying to claim that the person who did it self buffed using multiple characters is the same thing as someone doing it solo with one toon is whats disingenuous here.

If you want to create an S+ rank, then login and show us that its possible before you try to theorize your bullshit from the sidelines.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

You guys are basically fighting for how high the bar for soloing is. I think it boils down to needing separate solo categories.

Solo means with no outside help but you can't claim with a straight face you had no outside help if you're raid buffed for the attempt. You can't also claim getting haste/regen/maxhp/stats from buffs doesn't create a HUGE gap between that player and the one who does a "pure" solo (only self buffed) so putting both types of attempts on the same level is unfair.

But then you open the can of worms of if buffing is considered outside help, you could consider being raid geared to the gills outside help too so then it becomes a self found challenge by default. Raid gear guy unbuffed might have better stats than a non raid gear player with outside buffs so it all becomes hazy. Just giving aegolism to a caster nearly doubles their hp.

And then we could discuss puppet strings.

I think all kills are valid and impressive but it is disengenuous to try to default them to being all the same because they're absolutely not.

Yes, there were already categories (ranks) on the solo challenge page. Zuranthium is the only one trying to claim there are no solo categories other than no outside buffs and no comsumables. He keeps insisting everybody wants it this way too. He seems to think you aren't solo if you click one charge of a wort pot.
It's already been provided, countless times. You refuse to listen.


It has not. If it has, please repost it. Like Samoht, your strategy is to lie that you posted evidence when you didn't over and over. You hope people just believe you. It doesn't work like that. People can read the thread.

[vales]

Needing a separate category for an unbuffed kill WITH no consumables would imply that it is possible to do under those conditions in the first place - News Flash: It's not..
there are more targets than spore king and more classes than monk, so it makes sense for that to exist in general

[Stryker85]

there are more targets than spore king and more classes than monk, so it makes sense for that to exist in general

I would argue that you should only be able to add a higher rank than what already exists if YOU can backup your own claims and kill it under those conditions yourself first.

Sure there are a ton of targets that you can kill without buffs or consumables, that doesn't mean that a no charge spore king kill (one of the most difficult mobs to solo under ANY conditions) shouldn't receive the highest rank just because someone claims that it might be possible without buffs, with zero evidence to demonstrate that.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

there are more targets than spore king and more classes than monk, so it makes sense for that to exist in general

The reason why the self buffs no consumables rank is unfair is because casters have a much easier time doing self buff no consumable kills.

The self buff no consumables rank basically excludes melee classes on harder content. That is probably why the solo challenge page didn't create that specific rank, to be fair to classes with more of a disadvantage.

As a simple example, I can solo Ionat self buff only no consumables. That is a harder mob than Fungi King. But I am a Shaman. I'd be way more impressed if a Monk soloed Ionat. But I would have the higher rank because my class is better at killing Ionat. It's not really fair that I get the higher rank for the relatively less impressive kill compared to the Monk.

[Tewaz]

Don't talk to Zuranthium and he will disappear back to iceskating and Guild Wars 1

[vales]

The self buff no consumables rank basically excludes melee classes on harder content. That is probably why the solo challenge page didn't create that specific rank, to be fair to classes with more of a disadvantage..
idk why each class wouldn't just have its own category of kills, I assumed it did? seems weird to try to lump all classes together when they are unfairly balanced to begin with

it'd be cool to see the limits of a wizard, for example, displayed cleanly in its own section

[Stryker85]

idk why each class wouldn't just have its own category of kills, I assumed it did? seems weird to try to lump all classes together when they are unfairly balanced to begin with

it'd be cool to see the limits of a wizard, for example, displayed cleanly in its own section

No one is stopping you from creating your own wiki challenge page with your own rules and standards if those are the metrics that interest you. The Solo Artist Challenge wiki page was created with its own standards in mind, and someone else changing them retroactively to suit their own agenda is not acceptable, especially when its not even agreed upon by the people debating it.

[Crede]

idk why each class wouldn't just have its own category of kills, I assumed it did? seems weird to try to lump all classes together when they are unfairly balanced to begin with

it'd be cool to see the limits of a wizard, for example, displayed cleanly in its own section

Great idea if you want to create one because idk why what lorean created forever ago still holds all this weight

[Stryker85]

Great idea if you want to create one because idk why what lorean created forever ago still holds all this weight

It wasn't created by Lorean, it was created by a guy named Splorf22. Here is a link to the original thread:
https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=80165

It still holds weight because these are the standards people have used for literally years. Over a decade now. This whole debate is over someone thinking their own rules and standards are best. Zuranthium's standards are so ridiculous that he think no kills should count as solo unless the person is unbuffed with no consumables.

He is so petty that he won't even create his own solo challenge wiki page with his own standards, because he wants to impose his twisted beliefs on everyone else too, like he is the solo god who should decide it all.

[Snaggles]

Personally, while those are romantic targets to kill it would be preferred to find ones for easier setup. There are countless NPC’s which always spawn the same level, with the same buffs, who you can port within a zone of and run up to (invis or not). This would include classes like Warriors who do not have the same ability to solo pull a rare spawn in a dungeon.

Nerd lab musing aside, that really isn’t the point here. Sscalez gear represents the upper echelon of what is available to this class at this point. Outside chisel updates we hasn’t seen a patch that affects gameplay in a long time. While I initially thought this was mostly a personal mission rather than aiming at the Solo challenge, it certainly seems valid to me. Throw a few notes next to it so it can be documented for the ages and hit “save”. Then let the few sadists document their effort to do it with less buffs/clickies etc.

I don’t know what is a more impressive feat, the kill or fending off posturing blowhards who peaked in Kunark and retired shortly thereafter.

[Crede]

It wasn't created by Lorean, it was created by a guy named Splorf22. Here is a link to the original thread:
https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=80165

It still holds weight because these are the standards people have used for literally years. Over a decade now. This whole debate is over someone thinking their own rules and standards are best. Zuranthium's standards are so ridiculous that he think no kills should count as solo unless the person is unbuffed with no consumables.

He is so petty that he won't even create his own solo challenge wiki page with his own standards, because he wants to impose his twisted beliefs on everyone else too, like he is the solo god who should decide it all.

100% was created by loraen. Look at splorfs post history sig and you can see all his chars. he started using his forum name raev at some point which was his monk.

But idk what’s even being argued about if there’s a missing tier that wasn’t included then just add it imo. Loraen thought he knew everything so I’m sure there’s still some room for improvement if anyone cares to do so.

[Goregasmic]

You are the only one gate keeping the definition of a "solo kill" under YOUR OWN standards. There's a reason the wiki had a whole section about what is and what is not allowed for outside buffs, and for which classes. Convenient that you deleted all of that to support your own argument. Anyone can claim anything is true if they're the ones editing the history books. Do I need to copy/paste it every time you post to remind everyone that all of this is your OWN AGENDA that you're trying to push, and goes against the very standards that the creator of the challenge set.
"In general the idea is that you could zone in and kill the mob on your own. Outside buffs are not permitted for casters; melee can get as many buffs as they like as they are already at a considerable disadvantage."

It doesn't get any more clear than that. Nothing you can ever say will change what the original standards for the challenge were. Funny how you only saw the need to change things after someone posts a video like this, but nooo you're not envious at all, right?


Needing a separate category for an unbuffed kill WITH no consumables would imply that it is possible to do under those conditions in the first place - News Flash: It's not. How about this, if you want to create a rank higher than what was previously listed, then how about you go out and prove that its possible under those conditions before you make up said rank.


LOL OK - So let me get this straight, now raid gear is considered outside help too?? Jesus, the levels of copium here are insane.


No one here is trying to "default them to being all the same" at all. We're just simply saying that adding a rank higher than what was previously considered the top echelon of the challenge should only be done after someone proves that it's even possible to do so in the first place. You can't sit there and claim "wElL yA, bUt YoU cOuLd'Ve DoNe It UnDeR hArDeR cOnDiTiOnS" if no one has ever shown that its even remotely possible to do under those conditions.

My no charge kill was done under the absolute hardest conditions that anyone has ever solo'd the king under. There's only been 2 people that have solo'd the king prior. One used multiple "strong clicky" charges like puppet strings, slowstone amber, etc. The other used multiple characters for the kill (a druid for the pull, and then a chanter for the kill). Trying to claim that the person who did it self buffed using multiple characters is the same thing as someone doing it solo with one toon is whats disingenuous here.

If you want to create an S+ rank, then login and show us that its possible before you try to theorize your bullshit from the sidelines.

I think there's a misunderstanding here, it is a sick kill and grats on doing it.

But in a vacuum, there's a hierarchy of kills and unbuffed ranks higher. Those types of challenges exist to see how far you can push the class and solo, self buffed and no "strong clickies" is basically the highest step. If it can be done it can and if it can't it can't. The whole point is seeing what can and can't be done and finding the minimum threshold basically. If you've found it for monk on fungi king and it required buffs then so be it! You set the bar higher, you're the first to do it and possibly last.

The raid gear point is a theoretical argument about staying consistent with the rules. IIRC the solo artist challenge was during kunark era. So if today my 1400hp chanter gets an aego to 2500hp it is not considered "legal" according to the challenge but with velious power creep if I get BIS VP/TOV gear I'll probably be sitting around 2500hp self buffed. What's the difference? I'm just saying context is important. They might nerf lull to the point where you can't lull mobs above level 50 so a lot of chanters kills of yore will lose significance if that ever hits since some of the strategies will no longer be viable. That would make some newer kills more difficult thus rank higher and it will be up to chanters to see what can and can't be done under new ruleset.

P.S. I think splorf22 is lorean, and I think lorean got a clean solo chanter kill on king too.

[Stryker85]

I think there's a misunderstanding here, it is a sick kill and grats on doing it.

But in a vacuum, there's a hierarchy of kills and unbuffed ranks higher. Those types of challenges exist to see how far you can push the class and solo, self buffed and no "strong clickies" is basically the highest step. If it can be done it can and if it can't it can't. The whole point is seeing what can and can't be done and finding the minimum threshold basically. If you've found it for monk on fungi king and it required buffs then so be it! You set the bar higher, you're the first to do it and possibly last.

The raid gear point is a theoretical argument about staying consistent with the rules. IIRC the solo artist challenge was during kunark era. So if today my 1400hp chanter gets an aego to 2500hp it is not considered "legal" according to the challenge but with velious power creep if I get BIS VP/TOV gear I'll probably be sitting around 2500hp self buffed. What's the difference? I'm just saying context is important. They might nerf lull to the point where you can't lull mobs above level 50 so a lot of chanters kills of yore will lose significance if that ever hits since some of the strategies will no longer be viable. That would make some newer kills more difficult thus rank higher.

P.S. I think splorf22 is lorean, and I think lorean got a clean solo chanter kill on king too.

I disagree whole-heartedly. I don't think anyone should be able to add ranks for a kill that never existed before and retroactively change the rules for clickies and buffs, unless they can prove that its possible under those standards first.

You are right though that Loraen is definitely Splorf22. I was thinking Loramin for some reason, I guess because he was involved in the thread earlier and was the person that locked the wiki with Zuranthium's changes. Sorry for the confusion.

[Crede]

I disagree whole-heartedly. I don't think anyone should be able to add ranks for a kill that never existed before and retroactively change the rules for clickies and buffs, unless they can prove that its possible under those standards first.

You are right though that Loraen is definitely Splorf22. I was thinking Loramin for some reason, I guess because he was involved in the thread earlier and was the person that locked the wiki with Zuranthium's changes. Sorry for the confusion.

Why not? Loraen made this in 2012 when iksar hide boots were basically bis for monks. People forget how horribly bad melee gear was until velious. So it’s laughable that the condition should still exist that it’s ok to not buff casters but melee can be buffed while still competing against the same mobs.

This should absolutely be changed by someone who cares enough to do so and let the community decide on the relevant standards in 2025.

[Zuranthium]

So to recap the list of inanities from DSM/Stryker:

*Using 2 players and several different classes to complete an encounter is the best solo achievement possible

*Monks need outside buffs to be on the same level as casters for a solo challenge - despite already being extremely advantaged over Wizards, Clerics, Mages, Druids - and when that's not the point of solo challenges to begin with

*Outside buffs aren't an assist since it's only 1 character attacking the MOB, despite the fact that buffs are the same thing, in effect, as another player adding that same amount of DPS/healing during the fight

*People should be able to use as many healing potions as they want even though Soulfire click is disallowed, and the highest tier of challenge should allow a single wort pot even though that's no different than getting buffed by an outside source, which has always been prohibted for casters

*Spending 5 years grinding for gear on p99 is a skill on the same level as spending 5 years becoming a top ranked Chess player

*Ignore the impact of using Avatar and other procs/swapping to maximize a character's capability

*The stated goal of this thread of doing the kill without consumables is worthless, since everyone should slavishly cling onto an outdated wiki page that said so

*Anyone who thinks the most pure form of soloing is without outside buffs (most of the community) must be jealous and only started feeling that way after this thread was posted. Everyone who discusses and values soloing without outside buffs is only doing so because they want to deny people from playing the game any other way, even when all of those people encouraged the OP to do the kill without consumables and wanted to bring visibility to their video

[Stryker85]

Why not? Loraen made this in 2012 when iksar hide boots were basically bis for monks. People forget how horribly bad melee gear was until velious. So it’s laughable that the condition should still exist that it’s ok to not buff casters but melee can be buffed while still competing against the same mobs.

This should absolutely be changed by someone who cares enough to do so and let the community decide on the relevant standards in 2025.

You're not understanding that making such a change would remove the ability for melees to compete against the most coveted and sought after solo kills. Do you think that only melees got stronger with Velious or something? Casters got better gear too, and much more powerful spells to go along with it. Melee's absolutely should be allowed buffs, or there would be no way for them to kill anything significantly challenging, including mobs that people would enjoy seeing solo'd the most, like spore king, ragefire, chardok royals, etc.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

So to recap the list of inanities from DSM/Stryker:

*Using 2 players and several different classes to complete an encounter is the best solo achievement possible

*Monks need outside buffs to be on the same level as casters for a solo challenge - despite already being extremely advantaged over Wizards, Clerics, Mages, Druids - and when that's not the point of solo challenges to begin with

*Outside buffs aren't an assist since it's only 1 character attacking the MOB, despite the fact that buffs are the same thing, in effect, as another player adding that same amount of DPS/healing during the fight

*People should be able to use as many healing potions as they want even though Soulfire click is disallowed, and the highest tier of challenge should allow a single wort pot even though that's no different than getting buffed by an outside source, which has always been prohibted for casters

*Spending 5 years grinding for gear on p99 is a skill on the same level as spending 5 years becoming a top ranked Chess player

*Ignore the impact of using Avatar and other procs/swapping to maximize a character's capability

*The stated goal of this thread of doing the kill without consumables is worthless, since everyone should slavishly cling onto an outdated wiki page that said so

*Anyone who thinks the most pure form of soloing is without outside buffs (most of the community) must be jealous and only started feeling that way after this thread was posted. Everyone who discusses and values soloing without outside buffs is only doing so because they want to deny people from playing the game any other way, even when all of those people encouraged the OP to do the kill without consumables and wanted to bring visibility to their video

This is why I keep saying you have reading comprehension issues. Or you are trolling. You do know that other people can actually go back and read the thread, right? Posting nonsense summaries over and over just makes you look like a troll or person who cannot read well.


Solo means no outside buffs and no consumables. That's the ENTIRE discussion that's been taking placing in this thread from the start, and was explicitly stated yet again in the post you quoted. Jesus christ.

The reality of the situation is you believe that the only thing that counts as solo is no outside buffs or consumables. You have been trying to force this idea on everybody else, and at the expense of OP by trying to demerit OP's accomplishment.

Many people disagree with your idea. But you stubbornly refuse to accept this, to the point where you modified the solo artist challenge page to try and win the argument. That doesn't work, and the wiki will be fixed.

[bcbrown]

You're not understanding that making such a change would remove the ability for melees to compete against the most coveted and sought after solo kills. Do you think that only melees got stronger with Velious or something? Casters got better gear too, and much more powerful spells to go along with it. Melee's absolutely should be allowed buffs, or there would be no way for them to kill anything significantly challenging, including mobs that people would enjoy seeing solo'd the most, like spore king, ragefire, chardok royals, etc.

I don't really understand this line of thinking. Melees can still attempt solo kills with outside buffs even if there's a "self-buff only" category. People will still enjoy watching videos of those solo attempts. I watched your video and it was a very impressive solo kill and an accomplishment of which you're deservedly proud.

The idea that it would prevent melee classes from competing also clashes with the fact that only like 6 or so classes can even attempt these fights (without pupper strings) to begin with, right? It's shamans and echanters, then monks and necros, and then what? Bards come to mind, druids on the very few fights where there's an animal to charm, but are there any wizards, rogues, warriors attempting solo artist challenges?

I don't think it makes a ton of sense to have tiered requirements either. Whether it's more challenging to have no outside buffs or no consumables may depend on the class or the fight and the class. Just have it be a flat "solo kill" with a list of optional modifiers a player can add like no outside buffs, no strong clickies, no consumables, whatever. Let the individual viewer decide what they feel is most impressive.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

I don't really understand this line of thinking. Melees can still attempt solo kills with outside buffs even if there's a "self-buff only" category. People will still enjoy watching videos of those solo attempts. I watched your video and it was a very impressive solo kill and an accomplishment of which you're deservedly proud.

The idea that it would prevent melee classes from competing also clashes with the fact that only like 6 or so classes can even attempt these fights (without pupper strings) to begin with, right? It's shamans and echanters, then monks and necros, and then what? Bards come to mind, druids on the very few fights where there's an animal to charm, but are there any wizards, rogues, warriors attempting solo artist challenges?

I don't think it makes a ton of sense to have tiered requirements either. Whether it's more challenging to have no outside buffs or no consumables may depend on the class or the fight and the class. Just have it be a flat "solo kill" with a list of optional modifiers a player can add like no outside buffs, no strong clickies, no consumables, whatever. Let the individual viewer decide what they feel is most impressive.

The main issue posters like myself and OP have is Zuranthium is trying to claim nothing is solo unless it is self buff only and no consumables.


Solo means no outside buffs and no consumables. That's the ENTIRE discussion that's been taking placing in this thread from the start, and was explicitly stated yet again in the post you quoted. Jesus christ.

Zuranthium is trying to claim OP's video is a group kill with 4 players because OP had 3 outside buffs from 3 different classes lol. Those players did not help OP at all during the kill, the video evidence shows this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wONdIYAofyQ


YOU DID NOT USE ONE CHARACTER. YOU USED 4 CHARACTERS AND REQUIRED A 2ND PLAYER TO LOG ON YOUR ALTS.



Aegolism is no different than someone directly casting a 1,000-ish point heal on you during a fight. Haste/STR/ATK/DS buffs are no different than someone casting a damage spell that does the amount of damage those buffs provided. The fight has the exact same result in both cases.


That is obviously a nonsensical position to have.

[Stryker85]

So to recap the list of inanities from DSM/Stryker:

*Using 2 players and several different classes to complete an encounter is the best solo achievement possible

Here you go being a disingenuous piece of shit again. This is why nobody here can take you seriously. HAVING BUFFS IS NOT THE SAME THING AS USING MULTIPLE PLAYERS TO COMPLETE THE ENCOUNTER. The fact that you are trying to use such reductive phrasing tells us everything we need to know about what a deceitful little prick you are.


*Monks need outside buffs to be on the same level as casters for a solo challenge - despite already being extremely advantaged over Wizards, Clerics, Mages, Druids - and when that's not the point of solo challenges to begin with

Yes, monks need outside buffs to be able to keep up with casters, maybe not all casters, but the ones capable of soloing anything significant. And guess what? It's not just about monks! Monks may have the smallest gap to make up between melee and casters, but that rule still applied to same for melees that needed the help from buffs even more, like rogues and warriors.


*Outside buffs aren't an assist since it's only 1 character attacking the MOB, despite the fact that buffs are the same thing, in effect, as another player adding that same amount of DPS/healing during the fight

I don't know if you think people are going to read this list and think you're somehow not insane for making these completely asinine and reductive arguments... like people can't see right through this bullshit. NO, buffs are NOT the same thing as having other players there DPSing, healing, and helping with the fight. You claiming this just shows your own delusional bias.


*People should be able to use as many healing potions as they want even though Soulfire click is disallowed, and the highest tier of challenge should allow a single wort pot even though that's no different than getting buffed by an outside source, which has always been prohibted for casters

Before you deleted the previous rule-set, the "strong clickies" and heal pot rules were clearly defined and abided by for years. It wasn't until I posted my spore king solo vids that triggered your fragile insecurity so badly that you decided to delete everything and posted your own made up standards, for a game that you admittedly don't even play anymore. Remind me again why you should have ANY say in this at all??


*Spending 5 years grinding for gear on p99 is a skill on the same level as spending 5 years becoming a top ranked Chess player

Now you're just bold faced lying and putting words in my mouth. Anyone can search my post history, I've never once even mentioned the word chess in this forum, much less tried to equate it to video game skill. Again this deceitful behavior is just par for the course for you.


*Ignore the impact of using Avatar and other procs/swapping to maximize a character's capability

I HAVE killed the King with Avatar and 2h toggling the entire fight, multiple times. Remind me again which one of us has solo'd the king numerous times now, and which one of us hasn't done jack and doesn't even play the game anymore? That's what I thought, moron.


*The stated goal of this thread of doing the kill without consumables is worthless, since everyone should slavishly cling onto an outdated wiki page that said so

Again this is just completely reductive and disingenuous logic. Yes, the whole goal was to complete the kill without consumables, but that doesn't mean that the wiki should be changed to fit your own deranged agenda and ridiculous standards like disallowing buffs entirely for melee classes.


*Anyone who thinks the most pure form of soloing is without outside buffs (most of the community) must be jealous and only started feeling that way after this thread was posted. Everyone who discusses and values soloing without outside buffs is only doing so because they want to deny people from playing the game any other way, even when all of those people encouraged the OP to do the kill without consumables and wanted to bring visibility to their video


I literally never said any of that either. I think DSM might be onto something... it seems like your reading comprehension isn't very good, or, more likely, you still just being a disingenuous piece of shit. I think everyone here knows which one it is.

Who are you to decide what the most "pure form of soloing" is? Are you the solo master? Someone who doesn't even play the game anymore?

News flash, this is a MASSIVE MULTIPLAYER ONLINE GAME. Buffs exist for a reason, that is to make things easier or possible when they otherwise would not be. If they were only meant to be used when you were grouped, then they would be coded to fade or not land when you're alone. Anyone with half a brain on these forums can see the fallacies and reductive nature of your arguments, and see right away for themselves that you are not debating in good faith. Putting words in people's mouth and trying to reframe the argument to suit your own narrative isn't going to work here.

[Goregasmic]

I disagree whole-heartedly. I don't think anyone should be able to add ranks for a kill that never existed before and retroactively change the rules for clickies and buffs, unless they can prove that its possible under those standards first.

The rules aren't changing, Those ranks just exist wether you want it or not and wether those kills are possible or not. Just like solo monk buffed myconid king existed before you did it, it's just that no one did it before and some people probably deemed it impossible but you came and did it. As far as I'm concerned it isn't a lesser kill because it was buffed but if someone came self buffed and did it then yeah, that would be better. You seem to think it is impossible to do it unbuffed and if so then that's great, you found the lowest possible threshold it is possible to kill the myconid king which is pretty noteworthy in itself, that's basically the goal of the SAC, pushing the class to the edge.

I think some people prefere self buffed feats because it evens the playing field but I see it just like powerlifting. It's cool to see what a natural dude can do but it is also cool to see a juiced guy hit a 1000lbs deadlift. It's just done under different variables and it has to be acknowledged.

What's the biggest self buffed monk kill anyway?

[Samoht]

So to recap the list of inanities from DSM/Stryker:

*Using 2 players and several different classes to complete an encounter is the best solo achievement possible

*Monks need outside buffs to be on the same level as casters for a solo challenge - despite already being extremely advantaged over Wizards, Clerics, Mages, Druids - and when that's not the point of solo challenges to begin with

*Outside buffs aren't an assist since it's only 1 character attacking the MOB, despite the fact that buffs are the same thing, in effect, as another player adding that same amount of DPS/healing during the fight

*People should be able to use as many healing potions as they want even though Soulfire click is disallowed, and the highest tier of challenge should allow a single wort pot even though that's no different than getting buffed by an outside source, which has always been prohibted for casters

*Spending 5 years grinding for gear on p99 is a skill on the same level as spending 5 years becoming a top ranked Chess player

*Ignore the impact of using Avatar and other procs/swapping to maximize a character's capability

*The stated goal of this thread of doing the kill without consumables is worthless, since everyone should slavishly cling onto an outdated wiki page that said so

*Anyone who thinks the most pure form of soloing is without outside buffs (most of the community) must be jealous and only started feeling that way after this thread was posted. Everyone who discusses and values soloing without outside buffs is only doing so because they want to deny people from playing the game any other way, even when all of those people encouraged the OP to do the kill without consumables and wanted to bring visibility to their video

You left out the part where they justify this point of view using parameters that were bullshit to begin with when they were written pre-Velious... more than 10 years ago.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

You left out the part where they justify this point of view using parameters that were bullshit to begin with when they were written pre-Velious... more than 10 years ago.

You left out the part where yourself and Zuranthium have been lying over and over, while hoping people do not go back and read the thread. People can go back through the thread to confirm this.

[Samoht]

You left out the part where yourself and Zuranthium have been lying over and over, while hoping people do not go back and read the thread. People can go back through the thread to confirm this.

Between you and me, I don't think either one of us knows what you're talking about at this point.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Between you and me, I don't think either one of us knows what you're talking about at this point.

Anybody reading this thread can go through it and make up their own mind. The odds are not in your favor. You did say one correct thing, so I'll give you credit there:

Okay, so you know what raid buffs are

[bcbrown]

The main issue posters like myself and OP have is Zuranthium is trying to claim nothing is solo unless it is self buff only and no consumables.


Dude I've read the thread, you don't need to go quoting Zura at me. I've nothing to say to him because nothing he's said is worth engaging with.

Stryker's kill is obviously a solo kill and obviously impressive. An accomplishment to be proud of. An SAC category of only self-buffed is also a reasonable category.

You left out the part where yourself and Zuranthium have been lying over and over, while hoping people do not go back and read the thread. People can go back through the thread to confirm this.

I've read the thread, and you haven't exactly covered yourself in glory in this thread either. This thread would be a lot better if you didn't spend 50 pages going back and forth with those two idiots. All that it accomplished was to detract and distract from an impressive accomplishment by Stryker.

[Samoht]

Anybody reading this thread can go through it and make up their own mind. The odds are not in your favor. You did say one correct thing, so I'll give you credit there:

Yeah, you're totally just talking nonsensical circles looking for minor victories after moving the goal posts.

Honestly, you need to seek professional help. Dealing with your condition is beyond my expertise.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Dude I've read the thread, you don't need to go quoting Zura at me. I've nothing to say to him because nothing he's said is worth engaging with.

Stryker's kill is obviously a solo kill and obviously impressive. An accomplishment to be proud of. An SAC category of only self-buffed is also a reasonable category.



I've read the thread, and you haven't exactly covered yourself in glory in this thread either. This thread would be a lot better if you didn't spend 50 pages going back and forth with those two idiots. All that it accomplished was to detract and distract from an impressive accomplishment by Stryker.

Glad to hear you disagree with Zuranthium.

If you read the thread you would see that OP isn't complaining about me. I've been trying to keep this thread on topic. I don't force other people to post.

This thread would be a lot better if posters like Zuranthium and Samoht didn't spam the thread with nonsense and lies. Then myself and OP wouldn't need to respond to it.

Please direct your ire at the actual problem posters. You have a problem with ignoring bad behavior from other posters, and pretending I am to blame for it.

Nobody is forcing you to respond. You're not a white knight. You have a mental illness.

Says the poster responding with delusional nonsense and lies non-stop.

[Samoht]

This thread would be a lot better if posters like Zuranthium and Samoht didn't spam the thread with nonsense and lies. Then myself and OP wouldn't need to respond to it.

Nobody is forcing you to respond. You're not a white knight. You have a mental illness.

[bcbrown]

Please direct your ire at the actual problem posters. You have a problem with ignoring bad behavior from other posters, and pretending I am to blame for it.

This is a philosophical difference between us. I think the best way to deal with idiots and trolls is to ignore them. You think the best way to deal with them is to get into back-and-forth with them that balloons a thread by 20 pages in one day.

The way to keep a thread on-topic is to not engage with anyone going off-topic. And now I'll take my advice and leave you all to it. If you want to keep this thread on-topic I encourage you not to replay to this post.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

This is a philosophical difference between us. I think the best way to deal with idiots and trolls is to ignore them. You think the best way to deal with them is to get into back-and-forth with them that balloons a thread by 20 pages in one day.

The way to keep a thread on-topic is to not engage with anyone going off-topic. And now I'll take my advice and leave you all to it. If you want to keep this thread on-topic I encourage you not to replay to this post.

I disagree. The issue with this mentality is posters like Zuranthium and Samoht will just flood the thread with bad information, as they already have.

Not all readers have specific posters on ignore (they don't pay attention to forum drama). Not all readers have enough knowledge about the game to know which poster is telling the truth.

You essentially want a forum that has more posts that are lies, character attacks, misinformation, etc., than real posts. I don't want that. Trolls/bullies thrive in an environment where they are allowed to get away with bad behavior. If everybody called them out each time they acted up, they wouldn't get the result they want, and they will get bored.
You are giving them what they want with your current approach.

[Samoht]

I disagree. The issue with this mentality is posters like Zuranthium and Samoht will just flood the thread with bad information, as they already have.

Not all readers have specific posters on ignore (they don't pay attention to forum drama). Not all readers have enough knowledge about the game to know which poster is telling the truth.

You essentially want a forum that has more posts that are lies, character attacks, misinformation, etc., than real posts. I don't want that. Trolls/bullies thrive in an environment where they are allowed to get away with bad behavior. If everybody called them out each time they acted up, they wouldn't get the result they want, and they will get bored. You are giving them what they want.

Dude, read the room. Nobody agrees with you. Here are some examples:

An SAC category of only self-buffed is also a reasonable category.

But in a vacuum, there's a hierarchy of kills and unbuffed ranks higher. Those types of challenges exist to see how far you can push the class and solo, self buffed and no "strong clickies" is basically the highest step.

it’s laughable that the condition should still exist that it’s ok to not buff casters but melee can be buffed while still competing against the same mobs. This should absolutely be changed

DSM, I don't know what has made you decide to die on this hill more. Believing that you had the intellect to engage with the big boys in this thread, or maybe you just have a hard-on for Sscalez, but it's over, you've lost.

The community has spoken, and the solo artist challenge will be updated for Velious. I suggest that you celebrate the overhaul that's long over due and embrace the changes. You'd be better served to assist with the updates than getting yourself wiki suspended again.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Dude, read the room. Nobody agrees with you. Here are some examples:







DSM, I don't know what has made you decide to die on this hill more. Believing that you had the intellect to engage with the big boys in this thread, or maybe you just have a hard-on for Sscalez, but it's over, you've lost.

The community has spoken, and the solo artist challenge will be updated for Velious. I suggest that you celebrate the overhaul that's long over due and embrace the changes. You'd be better served to assist with the updates than getting yourself wiki suspended again.

You do realize none of those posts you quoted are supporting Zuranthium's idea that the only kind of solo kill is no consumables and no buffs? They do not agree that OP's video is a group kill with 3 other players as far as I know.

You do realize the solo artist challenge page before the edits from Zuranthium already had different rankings based on if you had outside buffs and if you used strong clickies?

[Samoht]

You do realize none of those posts you quoted are supporting Zuranthium's idea that the only kind of solo kill is no consumables and no buffs? They do not agree that OP's video is a group kill with 3 other players as far as I know.

You do realize the solo artist challenge page before the edits from Zuranthium already had different rankings based on if you had outside buffs and if you used strong clickies?

It deserves the highest ranking of [S] when following the solo artist challenge wiki page.

https://wiki.project1999.com/index.php?title=Solo_Artist_Challenge&oldid=454604

[S] -> Soloed with self buffs only

I assume your brain is about to implode while you try to rationalize how wrong you were.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

https://wiki.project1999.com/index.php?title=Solo_Artist_Challenge&oldid=454604

[S] -> Soloed with self buffs only

I assume your brain is about to implode while you try to rationalize how wrong you were.

Yeah you left out the caveat further down the page:


Outside buffs are not permitted for casters; melee can get as many buffs as they like as they are already at a considerable disadvantage.


OP's video did not use clickies like wort pots or reapers, and I agree with the caveat that melees can get outside buffs, as does OP. As does the writer of the wiki.

[Samoht]

Yeah you left out the caveat further down the page:

That will be removed moving forward.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

That will be removed moving forward.

I disagree with this.

If you want to start your own thread where everybody has a discussion before editing the existing solo artist challenge page, that would be a better approach.

If you want to start your own solo challenge page, that would be a better approach.

Forcing your changes on the wiki to win an argument and lower a poster's rank in a specific thread is not a good approach.

[Samoht]

I disagree with this.

If you want to start your own thread where everybody has a discussion before editing the existing solo artist challenge page, that would be a better approach.

If you want to start your own solo challenge page, that would be a better approach.

Forcing your changes on the wiki to win an argument and lower a poster's rank in a specific thread is not a good approach.

That's too bad. You don't get to make the decisions. I recommend that you refrain from impersonating me on the wiki or defacing changes other people make so that you don't get permanently banned.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

That's too bad. You don't get to make the decisions. I recommend that you refrain from impersonating me on the wiki or defacing changes other people make so that you don't get permanently banned.

As I said, continuing to lie doesn't help your position. People can read the thread. Remember when you edited the wiki specifically to lower OP's rank?

Wiki has been updated with new rating for melees using raid buffs (https://wiki.project1999.com/Solo_Artist_Challenge)

OP now deserves a B
Yeah, it moved him from a B- on the new scale to a B.

Trolling OP by editing the wiki is silly.

[Samoht]

As I said, continuing to lie doesn't help your position. People can read the thread. Remember when you edited the wiki specifically to lower OP's rank?

You're not contributing. Please stop holding on to the past. You've already died on this hill, and it's time to move on. The SAC is going to be updated for Velious.

Trolling OP by editing the wiki is silly.

Is that why you did it so many times you were suspended from the wiki?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

You're not contributing. Please stop holding on to the past. You've already died on this hill, and it's time to move on. The SAC is going to be updated for Velious.


You aren't the sole person on the wiki.


Is that why you did it so many times you were suspended from the wiki?

You can believe that reverting literal troll changes from yourself on the wiki is impersonating you if you wish. People can read your quotes and decide who was trolling the wiki.

Wiki has been updated with new rating for melees using raid buffs (https://wiki.project1999.com/Solo_Artist_Challenge)

OP now deserves a B
Yeah, it moved him from a B- on the new scale to a B.

[Stryker85]

Is that why you did it so many times you were suspended from the wiki?
If anyone deserves to be suspended from the wiki its you and Zuranthium specifically. You clearly are just a troll that has little to no understanding of end game content and what is required to complete these challenges.

The wiki will be reverted back, don't worry about that. Literally no one here agrees with your asinine assertion that having buffs disqualifies it from being considered a solo kill.

[Samoht]

You aren't the sole person on the wiki.

You can believe that reverting literal troll changes from yourself on the wiki is impersonating you if you wish. People can read your quotes and decide who was trolling the wiki.

You and I both know that I wasn't the one you were impersonating when you were busted. You're intentionally obfuscating things. Any intelligent poster will see right through you.

It's time to let go on this one. Changes will be made to the SAC. You need to embrace them and be a part of making good updates instead of clinging to rules that were terrible when they were written pre-Velious more than 10 years ago.

[Samoht]

Literally no one here agrees with your asinine assertion that having buffs disqualifies it from being considered a solo kill.

That's already been proven as factually incorrect. You need to let go as well.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

You and I both know that I wasn't the one you were impersonating when you were busted.


You just claimed that I impersonated you...

That's too bad. You don't get to make the decisions. I recommend that you refrain from impersonating me on the wiki or defacing changes other people make so that you don't get permanently banned.

Did you just out yourself as an alternative account of Zuranthium?

[Samoht]

You just claimed that I impersonated you...

No, no I did not.

Did you just out yourself as an alternative account of Zuranthium?

I've asked you before not to put words in my mouth because you're bad enough at dealing with the ones that come out of yours. We both know you were busted for impersonating Zuranthium on the wiki. I was proactively warning you not to impersonate me because you now have a history of impersonating people on the wiki.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

No, no I did not.

I've asked you before not to put words in my mouth because you're bad enough at dealing with the ones that come out of yours. We both know you were busted for impersonating Zuranthium on the wiki. I was proactively warning you not to impersonate me because you now have a history of impersonating people on the wiki.

I didn't put words in your mouth. You literally accused me of impersonating you last page:

That's too bad. You don't get to make the decisions. I recommend that you refrain from impersonating me on the wiki or defacing changes other people make so that you don't get permanently banned.

You are also using the same non-starter idea I will be "banned" as Zuranthium.

Either you are an alternate account of Zuranthium, or you don't even remember what you posted 5 minutes ago. It is amusing either way. Your start dates are very similar.

[Samoht]

I didn't put words in your mouth. You literally accused me of impersonating you last page:

Do you know what the word "proactive" means? Your interpretation of my statement is just pure idiocy.

You are also using the same non-starter idea I will be "banned" as Zuranthium.

History has a habit of repeating itself.

Either you are an alternate account of Zuranthium, or you don't even remember what you posted 5 minutes ago. It is amusing either way. Your start dates are very similar.

Neither of these things are remotely true. You're just grasping at straws.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Do you know what the word "proactive" means? Your interpretation of my statement is just pure idiocy.

History has a habit of repeating itself.

Neither of these things are remotely true. You're just grasping at straws.

You can act silly all you want. This was indeed amusing.

The post history shows I did not impersonate anyone. You can keep lying, but the post history won't change.

You and Zuranthium are the only ones who trolled the wiki:

Wiki has been updated with new rating for melees using raid buffs (https://wiki.project1999.com/Solo_Artist_Challenge)

OP now deserves a B
Yeah, it moved him from a B- on the new scale to a B.

If anyone deserves to be suspended from the wiki its you and Zuranthium specifically. You clearly are just a troll that has little to no understanding of end game content and what is required to complete these challenges.

The wiki will be reverted back, don't worry about that. Literally no one here agrees with your asinine assertion that having buffs disqualifies it from being considered a solo kill.

[Samoht]

The post history shows I did not impersonate anyone.

The wiki definitely did. We both know why you were suspended.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

The wiki definitely did. We both know why you were suspended.

It does not. People can look at the wiki and see I simply reverted your troll changes, which you admitted to:

Wiki has been updated with new rating for melees using raid buffs (https://wiki.project1999.com/Solo_Artist_Challenge)

OP now deserves a B
Yeah, it moved him from a B- on the new scale to a B.

[Samoht]

It does not. People can look at the wiki and see I simply reverted your troll changes, which you admitted to:

You're being disingenuous again. That's not the page that got you suspended.

[Stryker85]

That's already been proven as factually incorrect. You need to let go as well.

Wtf? No it hasn't. The VAST majority of the people that have posted in this thread have agreed that it most certainly is a solo kill, even if some think that adding an additional rank for unbuffed kills would be acceptable as well.

If you think otherwise, why don't you go make a poll in the Blue General or UN Blue discord channels and see what the vast majority of the EQ population thinks? I won't hold my breath.

[Samoht]

Wtf? No it hasn't. The VAST majority of the people that have posted in this thread have agreed that it most certainly is a solo kill, even if some think that adding an additional rank for unbuffed kills would be acceptable as well.

If you think otherwise, why don't you go make a poll in the Blue General or UN Blue discord channels and see what the vast majority of the EQ population thinks? I won't hold my breath.

You're delusional. Here are some people that posted today that support changes:

it’s laughable that the condition should still exist that it’s ok to not buff casters but melee can be buffed while still competing against the same mobs. This should absolutely be changed

An SAC category of only self-buffed is also a reasonable category.

in a vacuum, there's a hierarchy of kills and unbuffed ranks higher.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

You're being disingenuous again. That's not the page that got you suspended.

There is no page on the wiki where I impersonated anyone. You can see the post where Loramin suspended me:

As a wiki admin I had to suspend you for shitting up the wiki with your forum fights! Your addiction to warring with the forum is so bad you re-created Zura's page eight times (https://wiki.project1999.com/index.php?title=Zuranthium%27s_solo_artist_challen ge&action=history), despite him clearly being against it (and despite said page not benefiting the community in any way).

You have a problem DSM, and your problem makes the entire community worse off for it. Deal with your shit already: stop being such a damn coward and burying your head in the sand!

Loramin didn't say I was suspended for impersonation. So you keep lying about that.

Lormain was incorrect for suspending me. He was clearly biased against me if you look at all of the posts of him attacking me directly here and in other threads. His reason at the bottom is the same ad hominem attack he's been saying for years. I could find many posts from Loramin that say the same thing over and over.

Creating a copy of Zuranthium's version of the solo artist challenge wiki that he can edit and promote is a fair compromise for the disagreements both parties have.

You said you created it for Zuranthium and then proceeded to rage edit every change he made to revert it back to your preferred version. Thank you for providing the evidence to the crime. The suspension was well deserved.

You can check the wiki history and the post history. Lying doesn't help you.

Zuranthium kept deleting the copied page because he refused to compromise and use it.

I reverted your literal troll edits on the main wiki:

Wiki has been updated with new rating for melees using raid buffs (https://wiki.project1999.com/Solo_Artist_Challenge)

OP now deserves a B
Yeah, it moved him from a B- on the new scale to a B.

None of this is impersonation, and you were vandalizing the wiki to win the argument in this thread.

[Stryker85]

You're delusional. Here are some people that posted today that support changes:
LOL you're not fooling anybody by taking one sentence out of context from these posts. You're such a disingenuous piece of shit, you're just cherry picking parts of their posts without including the most relevant lines.


Stryker's kill is obviously a solo kill and obviously impressive. An accomplishment to be proud of.

I've read the thread, and you (DSM) haven't exactly covered yourself in glory in this thread either. This thread would be a lot better if you didn't spend 50 pages going back and forth with those two idiots. All that it accomplished was to detract and distract from an impressive accomplishment by Stryker.
What have you got to say about that, Samoht?? I thought this was someone that supported your argument? But here they are saying the exact opposite, and he's actually pointing out what an IDIOT you are.

Would you like me to make a post like this for every person here that's disagreed with your dumbass logic? I can certainly promise you its a whole hell of a lot more than the 2 other people that are trolling this thread with you.

[bcbrown]

Wtf? No it hasn't. The VAST majority of the people that have posted in this thread have agreed that it most certainly is a solo kill, even if some think that adding an additional rank for unbuffed kills would be acceptable as well.

It is clearly a solo kill, a very impressive one, and I think everyone except for two people agree on that.

You're delusional. Here are some people that posted today that support changes:

This is the second time you've quoted me as if I support your position so I want to state very clearly I do not.

[Samoht]

Creating a copy of Zuranthium's version of the solo artist challenge wiki that he can edit and promote is a fair compromise for the disagreements both parties have.

You said you created it for Zuranthium and then proceeded to rage edit every change he made to revert it back to your preferred version. Thank you for providing the evidence to the crime. The suspension was well deserved.

[Samoht]

This is the second time you've quoted me as if I support your position so I want to state very clearly I do not.

It is not a misquote. Did you make the post in error?

[bcbrown]

It is not a misquote. Did you make the post in error?

I think there should be a SAC category for unbuffed solo kills. You've said a bunch of other stupid shit in this thread, I'm not going to try to summarize it all or go back and re-read it all, but you quoted me out of context and I would appreciate if you do not try to mischaracterize me as supporting anything you said in the past or say in the future.

You're clearly trying to downplay and denigrate Stryker's impressive achievement and I want nothing to do with that.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

You're clearly trying to downplay and denigrate Stryker's achievement and I want nothing to do with that.

This is correct.