BDA to Phinigel

[Uuruk]

I'd love for Teamspeak, Ventrilo, Mumble and Discord to come down for a few days.

The only place I get to do really immersive EQ Raiding lately is TAK since my guild there doesn't use a voice chat. Just good old chat channels and typing.

You raid on 3 servers???? You really are Baldaen :D

[arsenalpow]

I prefer vent. Less dank memes.

[jcr4990]

I also prefer objectively worse things for reasons that don't make sense. I got a "yuck" feeling every time I opened Vent. Continuing to pay for a vent server in 2017 when discord is vastly superior in literally every way and is free is like paying a car payment on a 1982 Ford Escort when they're giving out free Ferrari's.

Don't get me wrong OGC uses Mumble and I hate that almost as much. I wish everyone would get with the times.

[Juevento]

I wish everyone would get with the times.

Jesus Christ.

[jcr4990]

Jesus Christ.

I knew some idiot was going to single out that line and act like it was dumb to say cause I'm playing Everquest. The problem is there isn't a better MMORPG from the standpoint of someone that enjoys a challenging game that doesn't COMPLETELY hold your hand the whole time. If that game came out tomorrow I'd drop EQ in a heartbeat. I've been waiting like 15 years for that game. There are several VOIP clients better in every possible way than Ventrilo. One of which is completely free.

[Ravager]

damn bro u been workin out? lookin ripped
12oz curls, same as ever.

[Ravager]

Rumor has it BDA is going to destroy this rotation too: http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2438122#post2438122

[Ravager]

Chest Rockwell doesn't post. He imposes his will on the forums.

[Swish]

Chest Rockwell doesn't post. He imposes his will on the forums.

What like securing a Velious rotation or getting FTE on raid mobs?

Oh wait thats why BDA isnt here anymore, got bad then got mad. If any deserved a good dose of karma after collapsing a rotation that saw most guilds were happy with...well ;)

[arsenalpow]

asking for a friend,

thanks.

nope, no more snarky comments

[khysanth]

http://i.imgur.com/IrQUcJn.jpg

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[Uuruk]

What like securing a Velious rotation or getting FTE on raid mobs?

Oh wait thats why BDA isnt here anymore, got bad then got mad. If any deserved a good dose of karma after collapsing a rotation that saw most guilds were happy with...well ;)

https://youtu.be/OLpeX4RRo28

[derpcake]

jeppenstrubber just took 25pp from a friend for a port and left the game

would not invite to group

[jcr4990]

http://i.imgur.com/kWqdPex.jpg

This thread needed a bump so I figured I'd post more awesome loot I got for min dkp tonight. Starting to get pretty decked. This item broke 1400 AC for me. Pushing 7200 hp 6k mana raid buffed. Cmon PoP.

[nhdjoseywales]

In the last week i have FINALLY gotten my Khalshazar, Aten Arms, and Sanguine Gloves so yay me.

[bigjerry]

hey guys whats up i play a game with institutionalized RMT and an item shop

[Uuruk]

hey guys whats up i play a game with institutionalized RMT and an item shop

Cool dude. All of those things exist here or used to. See Pantheon or whatever shitty game we could pay to back for xp pots etc.

NEXT

[bigjerry]

Cool dude. All of those things exist here or used to. See Pantheon or whatever shitty game we could pay to back for xp pots etc.

NEXT

admins: please ban this guy for suggesting official RMT.

people fluent in broken retard English: please decide the second sentence for me.

[bigjerry]

DECODE

i just cucked myself

[Uuruk]

admins: please ban this guy for suggesting official RMT.

people fluent in broken retard English: please decide the second sentence for me.

let me help you since you are probably swish's brother.


https://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=137820

[jcr4990]

So what does this have to do with BDA?

I dunno we got off topic for a sec lemme fix it. Does BDA still take 6 hours to clear VT with 60 people in 1 instance? Don't worry sometimes it takes OGC 6 hours too when we 3 split for 3x loot.

[Papa]

^ lol he still hurtin'

thinking back about BDA

wondering what they're up to

BDA doesn't even remember his name

[jcr4990]

^ lol he still hurtin'

thinking back about BDA

wondering what they're up to

BDA doesn't even remember his name

http://i.imgur.com/QASOJat.gif

Kushie said "What does this have to do with BDA?" and I acknowledged we got off topic and changed topic back to BDA. It's only been a few months. If BDA forgot my name they're even more retarded than you are.

[Swish]

I dunno we got off topic for a sec lemme fix it. Does BDA still take 6 hours to clear VT with 60 people in 1 instance? Don't worry sometimes it takes OGC 6 hours too when we 3 split for 3x loot.

So you're a fan of zerg guilds

[Uuruk]

So you're a fan of zerg guilds

you seriously are fucking retarded.

[Swish]

you seriously are fucking retarded.

http://i.imgur.com/WEr1i8R.gif

[Swish]

There's so many people in a guild that they can be in 3 places doing 3 raids at once. Think about that. Imagine that here.

That's why boxing is bad folks, it would be horrible for P99

[Bruno]

Swish you're fucking retarded and shouldn't talk when you don't understand what you're talking about.

So basically he should never speak.

[Uuruk]

Just this once I decided to hit "show post" cause I knew you were responding directly to me and I regret doing so. Do you understand how math works? 30 people per raid x 3 raids = 90 people. A/A and CSG all regularly had north of 100 players while raiding when I last played P99. I assume not much has changed by this quote from another thread discussing P99 raiding "every raid entity this weekend brought 100+ to the table." so oddly enough even with that evil concept from satan himself (boxing) we still raid with less numbers overall. But yeah you're totally right we have soooo many people in our zerg guild that if we were on P99 it'd break the server with how horrible it is.

Again I ask. Are you retarded? I'm seriously concerned

He has autism. Apparently staff enjoys having a mentally fucking retarded person that posts 100 times a day shitting their boards up.

[nyclin]

clicking "view post" is never worth it

This message is hidden because Uuruk is on your ignore list.

i can safely assume that this post contains some variation of "get cucked" "try red" "beta lulz topkek" or "u have autism lul"

[Swish]

I'm not the one playing on a server where I can sell digital currency and call it a healthy server that's better than P99.

One post mentioning a zerg mentality and the usual suspects all turn up at once...if it makes you feel better to lash out with expletives and accusations of autism and being retarded that says more about your ForumQuest age than it does about me.

Sorry you were run off the server because better guilds with less numbers could take down content and the staff refused to fence anything off for you because of the way the last rotation fell apart :o

[Papa]

Ugh why did u quote that and make that stupidity available for my eyes to read?

Swish you're fucking retarded and shouldn't talk when you don't understand what you're talking about. This is the exact fucking opposite of zerging. We split our raid force into 3 smaller raids and do the instance 3 times simultaneously to get more loot for the guild. I forget what kind of numbers we had for last 3 split but around 25-30 people per split I'm guessing? Clearing VT with a 6hr hard timer with ~30 man raid force isn't a super easy task.

Zerg he says.. God damn..

Swish! Don't let him fool you. It's just like P99 NToV, bosses mostly all pulled to zone in. BDA just clears the zone classically and manages to do all the bosses in time (something you might be a fan of???)

[nyclin]

BDA once pulled Ikatiar to HoT, confirmed most evil guild ever on p99

[Swish]

Is this Swish's alt account? You speak about things you have seemingly no understanding of just like him. We don't pull a single boss to the zone in that I've ever witnessed. The only exception is maybe Kael I think we pulled Tormax to EW a couple times. But pulling stuff to zone in Kael is pretty common practice. We just have a lot less dead weight players than other guilds do and we don't sit around for 30 mins after every boss while cucks decide which of their friends is getting loot today. Not to mention we have some insanely talented pullers. Combination of those things results in us clearing VT with 30 people in the same time it takes BDA and some other guilds to do it with ~60.

Who the fuck are you btw? New BDA member?

The anger in the last couple of pages is quite amusing. I've got 1 alt account and it's banned for being used while being banned... so there's essentially no point in having one :D

I like how jcr has joined me in condemning loot council guilds but won't say I was right about it way back before this thread even got started.

[Swish]

Milly Bays 2.0

:o

[arsenalpow]

Our emp kill was pretty fun last night. Only had 3 Warriors so we ran out of defensive, bout some time with two weaponshield. We could have had a fourth warrior but someone (Fifield) had none of discs at level 60.

[arsenalpow]

Our emp kill was pretty fun last night. Only had 3 Warriors so we ran out of defensive, bought* some time with two weaponshield. We could have had a fourth warrior but someone (Fifield) had none of discs at level 60.

Derp

[Sodors Finest Poster]

Our emp kill was pretty fun last night.

Emperor Chottal is a one group-able mob mate.

[Ravager]

Emperor Chottal is a one group-able mob mate.
He was referring to Crush, obviously.

[Uuruk]

You're doing 1 split? Don't have enough clerics to tighten the chain on a non-defensive tank?

We are talking about BDA here.

[Erati]

Our emp kill was pretty fun last night. Only had 3 Warriors so we ran out of defensive, bout some time with two weaponshield. We could have had a fourth warrior but someone (Fifield) had none of discs at level 60.

Fifield is a warrior now!?!?!

[arsenalpow]

We aren't splitting Ssra. I know a lot guilds are just to farm cursed though. Last night we only had three main clerics then a couple of boxes. It was fine, just tight. It's just the end of expansion lull. Our attendance spike for PoP is going to be absurd.

[Papa]

Yea but you guys aren't min/maxing EQ THE ONLY WAY TO PLAY IT IS THE WAY I THINK IT SHOULD BE ENJOYED AND THAT IS MAXIMUM PIXELS FOR MY LUST

[Fifield]

Our emp kill was pretty fun last night. Only had 3 Warriors so we ran out of defensive, bout some time with two weaponshield. We could have had a fourth warrior but someone (Fifield) had none of discs at level 60.

Lol damn you sold me out! Knew i shouldnt of brought him there and be ridiculed by you guys. I kind of like these low number kills, they are alot of fun, i have to admit something though, not only did i show up to emp with no discs, but i had no emp weapons on my warrrior as well so i just pretended to auto attack like i was doing something. /hide

Eratani i heard i missed your appearance the other night?!?!? made me sad

[arsenalpow]

Got another bloodfrenzy last night, Emp loot was so bad though. Double sword + INT cloak.

[Fifield]

Got another bloodfrenzy last night, Emp loot was so bad though. Double sword + INT cloak.

I think Bobbeh would disagree, arms, legs and Emp 2h in one night. Guy is gonna be a little Relbaic in no time.

[arsenalpow]

I think Bobbeh would disagree, arms, legs and Emp 2h in one night. Guy is gonna be a little Relbaic in no time.

The other sword went to a level 46... it's 60 to equip...

[Fifield]

The other sword went to a level 46... it's 60 to equip...

Loot council should of given it to someone who could use and not officers alt over mains.

[Ravager]

I'm playing Baldur's Gate. Never played it before. I keep getting one-shotted by wolves. This game is hard.

[Fifield]

I'm playing Baldur's Gate. Never played it before. I keep getting one-shotted by wolves. This game is hard.

1 or 2?

[Ravager]

1 or 2?
1. I never played either, so it seemed like the place to start. So far I like it. It's a good game to have on pause in the background to tab back to for a minute or two here and there.

[Ravager]

just like your mom

?
Zing!

[Swish]

Loot council should of given it to someone who could use and not officers alt over mains.

lol same shit eh?

only 3 cleric mains logged in last night? sounds like people would rather be in another guild.

[Uuruk]

Welp it's like 3 am or some shit and swish back to posting. See you guys tomorrow.

[Swish]

Welp it's like 3 am or some shit and swish back to posting. See you guys tomorrow.

Sorry to inform you there's more than your time zone out there :o

[Fifield]

Welp it's like 3 am or some shit See you guys tomorrow.

yup about that time to clock out of work

[nectarprime]

Welp it's like 3 am or some shit and swish back to posting. See you guys tomorrow.

what kind of thirdworld dirt country do you live in

[Uuruk]

what kind of thirdworld dirt country do you live in

3 am for him

[nectarprime]

your avatar is so fitting

[Papa]

lol same shit eh?

only 3 cleric mains logged in last night? sounds like people would rather be in another guild.

lol this guy quoted above (i know a lot of people ignore him) took the incredibly obvious bait

[Pullyn]

I know of only one halfling warrior who would use the word Derision. JUST SAYIN

Filbus obviously in denial that we all know who he is.

[maskedmelon]

glad to see this thread still yielding productive discussion

[Pullyn]

PLEASE STOP THESE PRONOUN ASSUMING MICRO AGGRESSIONS I AM FEELING VERY TRIGGERED AND NEED THIS TO RETURN TO A SAFE-SPACE

The story about Jumi and Botrainer gave it away. No pronouns required. You were one of the few who knew about it other than myself lol.

[Relbaic]

I think Bobbeh would disagree, arms, legs and Emp 2h in one night. Guy is gonna be a little Relbaic in no time.

Woah, he's not an officer, no way he reaches my status. Get real.

[Phantasm]

Skarlorn definitely was or is still in BDA. Pullyn knows everywhere Jumi has been, the hard way.

Also, lol. Why don't you fucking nerds move onto a new, exciting game

[Phantasm]

obviously MMORPGs are the only games on the market. Especially 17 year old versions that nobody really even plays, only complains about..

I have no qualms with project 1999, its the first and only MMORPG I've ever played. Its perfect in its solidarity. Why you would be using P99 servers to advertise for other servers is beyond me. This is how Everquest was meant to be played as far as I'm concerned.

Seriously though, there are other games out there its not like you have to keep playing Everquest. For people who bitch so much about it you keep coming back :( WHy you do this for

[khysanth]

http://i.imgur.com/IrQUcJn.jpg

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[nyclin]

WoW has turned into hot garbage ever since Cataclysm came out.

nobody argues that cata was bad, but warlords was OK and Legion is easily the best expansion since Wrath

with mythic+ dungeons you can actually have meaningful progression with a 5man group, and you can even pug them if you want

[Papa]

sounds an awful lot like instanced content OH WAIT

[Papa]

im not sure how anyone can enjoy WoW without competing for all the raid content (staring at walls, racing to be the first to engage, etc.)

[nyclin]

me either, one wonders why wow has millions of subscribers and classic emu servers with 15k+ players when Project 1999: Classic EverQuest, an objectively Good Game With No Faults Whatsoever, is available to play for free

[booter]

Home stretch to 700

[nyclin]

gw2's community reminds me a lot of oldschool eq, there's lots of people who just want to have a good time and punch dragons

game is good, had great pvp when i quit but i hear heart of thorns took a shit on pvp

[Phantasm]

Some people also say you have the genitals of a woman

He is the genitals

[Ravager]

im not sure how anyone can enjoy WoW without competing for all the raid content (staring at walls, racing to be the first to engage, etc.)
Or any game for that matter. This is the epitome of game design.

[Papa]

yesterday I was grating fresh turmeric and grated off a bit of skin from the middle finger of my left hand. The cut was thin so the flesh it took became translucent on the reverse-side of the blades. I tapped the turmeric paste and the bit of my finger into the cup where it mixed with ginger, lemon juice, and hot water. I figured that consuming myself was ok. Today, I am arguably more human than ever.

[Swish]

Have a listen to BDA's ventrilo (https://youtu.be/JuVZ6Fx5z8Q?t=23s) from the other night - yikes

[nhdjoseywales]

PoP is getting close. I keep asking myself, have i done all i can do to be ready....

[Ravager]

Those froglok models are ugly as shit.

[Ravager]

No accounting for taste.

[arsenalpow]

The frogs look dope

[Daldaen]

LoY doesn't have enough content to warrant its own 3 month block. There's like zero raids that I can remember? Only a handful of new zones. I don't have any issues with it bundling with PoP. GoD/OoW bundle is the worst though.

LoY has the captain Raid event in Hate's Fury - http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/npc.html?id=13861

What makes the most sense:

PoP/LoY together
LDoN/GoD together
OoW

GoD needs to be pushed 3 months ahead and bundled with LDoN. LDoN gives casuals stuff to do and GoD gives hardcores.

[heyokah]

http://i.imgur.com/SkBGNZ1.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/3cMvKKI.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/7OBLO63.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/vwJuvkZ.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/tEWDMXV.png

[burkemi5]

Dald, how are you such an encyclopedia of EQ?

[Daldaen]

Don't discount the Vander's Bane. That was the only reason people did that event.

Dual wield that and Mace of the Ancients from PoP EP God Element quest, proc two different summoned pets. Add in the LDON Guk Raid aug for another proc. So many pets $$$

[derpcake]

at some point they lowered the number of pets bards could make through their AA's, cuz 5 bards would fuck your raids positioning / FPS up :)

[Daldaen]

Those stupid gargoyles. Song of Stone I think was the AA? Plus there was some doppelgänger AA they got much later iirc.

Pet walling was such a hilarious tactic until after VoA. You could damn near stall out a mob without heavy AEs for half an hour if you needed By just throwing pets into it.

I recall one or two Fumeraks where we lost all our pets around 10% and we just threw pets at it until warriors were rezzed and ready to engage again.

[derpcake]

Yea, song of stone. If I summoned the pets while circling a mob, it would be mostly surrounded by the gimpest pets ever :)

I still think the comedy factor of the druid pet is best though. The dr00id community cried so hard to get a pet .. so they get one.

Much like the community complained and complained, "they wanted a zone open to everyone where dragons roam", so they got Skyfire.

Early EQ devs were cruel.

[derpcake]

Crypt of Nadox was absolutely awesome for bard AE kiting or war earthshaking though, you could easily do 2 pulls of 120 mobs each and have them down just in time for respawn of the first set.

Pras LoY, I guess!

[Daldaen]

2.5 weeks until PoP/LoY drop.

The tears in Plane of Storm are looking to be at peak levels days 1-14.

[FatMice]

2.5 weeks until PoP/LoY drop.

The tears in Plane of Storm are looking to be at peak levels days 1-14.

Oh the days spent in Plane of Fire adding AA's to my Ranger on live. Those were the days.

[derpcake]

table is camped

[Uuruk]

I intend on training the charm birds to tables anytime they are up.

[dafier]

Oh the days spent in Plane of Fire adding AA's to my Ranger on live. Those were the days.

I got my mage so many AAs there. I was the dedicated COTHer, and had a friend hop on my account so I could sleep. We had a group there for ....ever.

THOSE were the days. Thanks for bringing up PoF. Also, my most favourite NPC in PoP was Blazzaxx the Omnifiend. Not the fight, not the graphic of the NPC....it's all due to the name.

[dafier]

BoT too. For about 1 month...before the nerf. I would invis, go to a 'safe spot', charm an elemental, deck him out with gear and buffs, and watch him melt everything. Even the minis that dropped the ....items that give spells. My elemental would destroy everything.

Stupid ass SoE caught on and then made the minis start to summon the caster after they took 10% damage from their charmed pet. That sucked.

[Daldaen]

I intend on training the charm birds to tables anytime they are up.

We should do an AE group tonight in the Deep. Need 20% to cap normal EXP and I need some AAs banked too.

PS - Thoses birds burn charm first 1-3 seconds they're aggroed, it's unresistable and they've since removed the HP Buff on it allowing you to cheese and block the charm with Virtue line. So unless you've got a DA, good luck.

Level 105s still get in charm loops unless you can get your Mercenary to eat the charm for you.

[Uuruk]

We should do an AE group tonight in the Deep. Need 20% to cap normal EXP and I need some AAs banked too.

PS - Thoses birds burn charm first 1-3 seconds they're aggroed, it's unresistable and they've since removed the HP Buff on it allowing you to cheese and block the charm with Virtue line. So unless you've got a DA, good luck.

Level 105s still get in charm loops unless you can get your Mercenary to eat the charm for you.

I remember being able to range it. I can do Deep tonight.

[Swish]

We should do an AE group tonight in the Deep. Need 20% to cap normal EXP and I need some AAs banked too.

PS - Thoses birds burn charm first 1-3 seconds they're aggroed, it's unresistable and they've since removed the HP Buff on it allowing you to cheese and block the charm with Virtue line. So unless you've got a DA, good luck.

Level 105s still get in charm loops unless you can get your Mercenary to eat the charm for you.

http://i.imgur.com/1gBWIug.gif

[Papa]

you're literally the only one who cares?

[Uuruk]

you're literally the only one who cares?

[Uuruk]

Swish just has full blown asbergers. Nothing to see here.

[bigjerry]

still mad about eq in 2017 when good servers exist elsewhere

weeping for u

[Uuruk]

Which mad cuck is bigjerry?

[Swish]

Look at people getting mad over a gif, yikes

[khysanth]

http://i.imgur.com/IrQUcJn.jpg

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[Swish]

pretty good i'm gearin up a archer-warrior right now designed to take on Overpowered targets by exploiting crippling blows

Sounds shit, like most of the stories about Phinny. Yet to see anything at all that would make me want to play a broken copy of EverQuest where nothing is as it was.

[Pokesan]

pretty good i'm gearin up a archer-warrior right now designed to take on Overpowered targets by exploiting crippling blows

dude no. max your dex/agi bonus and go polearms, use a lance. with that and max cm training and armor ranks you'll have sick redux and natural crit weighting by weapon type.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

Ya know, "cuck" as a pejorative is kind of getting old. Just my impression. But then again, I never got into using "bitch" as a put-down either.

I'm old.

[bigjerry]

Ya know, "cuck" as a pejorative is kind of getting old. Just my impression. But then again, I never got into using "bitch" as a put-down either.

I'm old.

u type like a beta son

[kaev]

u type like a beta son

Posted by one who knows!

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

u type like a beta son

beta kind of also weak stuff, seems to me. It just kind of all sounds like what who have never spent much hard time think felons talk like.

Newsflash, Walter Cronkite. They don't.

[Ravager]

Don't listen to these mixed seed bags, Sadre. You're top dog.

[Swish]

Don't listen to these mixed seed bags, Sadre. You're top dog.

Do as I say, not as I do

(Ravager goes into a meltdown if you direct anything at him)

[Ravager]

Ironically, Swish is the perfect guy to take lessons of hypocrisy from, being so well versed in it.

[Swish]

See?

[Papa]

cuck is just the latest popular slur used by donald and his followers (insecure white guys)

the truth is that if anyone was actually a cuckold IRL, they would probably just be turned on by other guys calling them cucks. like literally sswish and uruk are giving p99 elf pals boners probably, if they truly are cucks

if they aren't cucks the reaction is probably neutral to whimsical

[Uuruk]

cuck is just the latest popular slur used by donald and his followers (insecure white guys)

the truth is that if anyone was actually a cuckold IRL, they would probably just be turned on by other guys calling them cucks. like literally sswish and uruk are giving p99 elf pals boners probably, if they truly are cucks

if they aren't cucks the reaction is probably neutral to whimsical

CUCK ALERT ^^^^^^^

[Papa]

thanks ;););)

doing my wife's work

[Ravager]

Bets on when Swish gets banned next? He's immersed deep.

[Swish]

Bets on when Swish gets banned next? He's immersed deep.

See? (twice in the same page, too easy)

[burkemi5]

One sentence responses = meltdown, TIL.

[Swish]

http://i.imgur.com/5Tc9yL8.jpg

Picked this up for min dkp tonight. Holy fuck its so good. Bunch of people said it doesn't work unless the target has mana so I passed on it a few times cause it went higher than I wanted to spend. Was the only person to bid on it tonight and it works on mana-less mobs just fine. Ran over to DSP and smacked some gorangas or whatever and it proc'd 4 times in like 30 seconds at ~400 mana per proc. So sick.

http://i.imgur.com/hUpjxpb.gif

Also out of date whenever pop gets released. Don't know why anyone even bids honestly, the pace of the server you can barely enjoy your pixels you spend hours acquiring :o

[eadric]

http://i.imgur.com/5Tc9yL8.jpg

Picked this up for min dkp tonight. Holy fuck its so good. Bunch of people said it doesn't work unless the target has mana so I passed on it a few times cause it went higher than I wanted to spend. Was the only person to bid on it tonight and it works on mana-less mobs just fine. Ran over to DSP and smacked some gorangas or whatever and it proc'd 4 times in like 30 seconds at ~400 mana per proc. So sick.

Great weapon. My cleric on live had it, and during GoD/OoW era, with the mana regen from the yaulp line, I was able to get more mana meleeing than meditating. It makes playing cleric a lot more fun and interactive. Grats on the loot, now stop posting on this thread, let it die. :)

[Daldaen]

http://i.imgur.com/5Tc9yL8.jpg

Picked this up for min dkp tonight. Holy fuck its so good. Bunch of people said it doesn't work unless the target has mana so I passed on it a few times cause it went higher than I wanted to spend. Was the only person to bid on it tonight and it works on mana-less mobs just fine. Ran over to DSP and smacked some gorangas or whatever and it proc'd 4 times in like 30 seconds at ~400 mana per proc. So sick.

Great item. Its just unfortunate it has a negative proc mod.

Still would love to pick one up. Think only one has dropped for my guild all of Luclin though :/.

[Raev]

Nah, we can't let this thread die till Planes of Power releases on Phinigel.

[Swish]

Nah, we can't let this thread die till Planes of Power releases on Phinigel.

When does the sweepstake start for which expansion they'll quit at?

[Swish]

Ya at least on p99 you can enjoy your pixels for the next 40 years.

well said

[LostCause]

good weapon if you aren't a shaman imo...


better off using canni over that shit.. unless you get lucky constant procs.

[LostCause]

guess yo could auto attack in a duel while you canni with those random procs in between canni but not like it matters to go that far.

[LostCause]

did i say he was a shaman? weapon isn't cleric only is it?

[Papa]

this thread will die at page 1000 or whenever that presidential countdown thing finishes

[Swish]

Did you have fun digging that up from page 2? You're obsessed with bumping this thread without adding any content lol

[Swish]

HOLY SHIT. What a fucking loser and this guy is racist as fuck.

I hate vegans more than anything, even Uucuk

[Swish]

I'm getting with daybreak later this week. I have a meeting with holly to discuss the kind of behavior that is allowed here.

Most of us have jobs to go to.

[Daldaen]

Did some test PoP raids yesterday.

Coirnav and Rathe Council. Man I love raid events with real scripts that require strategies more complex than "Corner, Slow, Tank, Loot".

[Daldaen]

Stop using the good nukes then ya scrub.

Use the Ancient Ice / Ice Spear of Solist alternating. Aggro won't be as bad and you can basically sustain that rotation forever.

[burkemi5]

Did some test PoP raids yesterday.

Coirnav and Rathe Council. Man I love raid events with real scripts that require strategies more complex than "Corner, Slow, Tank, Loot".

What is this "logic?" Clearly Verious is the pinnacle of EQ.

[khysanth]

http://i.imgur.com/IrQUcJn.jpg

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[Daldaen]

What is this "logic?" Clearly Verious is the pinnacle of EQ.

Lololol.

Level 70ish was around the pinnacle of EQ. DoN/DoDH had some incredible raids and class definition was more fleshed out with all the AAs by this point.

[arsenalpow]

I saw a bunch of red99 cucks in BDA and chuckled hard as fuck. Bodhi and Shouts what the fuck are you guys doing?!!??

Bodhi and Shouts are good people. We got a khalshazar last night. Happy rogue.

[Tipsyer]

How do your guys' mages do on parses? Legitimately curious.

[Daldaen]

I top mainly every fight except seru which wizards can't really win.

He cheats and uses Divine Rez from clerics.

[Daldaen]

Cause we need to DR tanks and enchanters to get them up during Rathe Council.

The shorter time frame for killing all 12 plus mighty buff and that ridiculous regen rate hey have now... gonna be such a good event.

[Daldaen]

DRs are crucial on hard content. If they give us level 65 capped GoD... praise Jesus will there be some good fights for DRing.

Cursecallers in Inktuta so much death. Need more DPS. DR all the wizards.

[Tycoon]

BDA to phinigel thread is the most successful raid bda ever did

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

Don't listen to these mixed seed bags, Sadre. You're top dog.

right back at ya

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

Daldaen having flashbacks to getting his head cracked on rather council. Honestly wizard mana doesn't seem like it will be an issue this xpac so no DR needed!

can't bards do the mezzables, or was that a later "patch"

[nhdjoseywales]

I top mainly every fight except seru which wizards can't really win.

your rogues are bad

[Swish]

Swish has 346 posts in this thread but tried really hard to bury this yesterday.

Ban again 2017

Someone still mad about it I see :rolleyes:

http://i.imgur.com/Urns1TK.gif

[Ravager]

robble robble robble BDA robble robble

[Daldaen]

PoP launch less than 2 weeks away friends.

Unlock Memories
Guided Meditation

[LostCause]

PoP will be cool but gonna suck for a bit after that legacy of ykesha and ldon aren't that great imo.


after PoP is usually when tlp die down since the big gap for actually decent content.. but who knows maybe it will be different for phinny with the 3 months per expansion.

[skipdog]

I just don't see the point of playing on a box that's gonna go past PoP.

[dafier]

I just don't see the point of playing on a box that's gonna go past PoP.

^

Absolutely. Would love to find a perfectly scripted EMU that stops at PoP. Hell, I'd donate....

[Relbaic]

I just don't see the point of playing on a box that's gonna go past PoP.

GoD and OoW are pretty legit. While PoP was my favorite gaming experience, those two aren't that far behind it at all.

[Mistle]

^

Absolutely. Would love to find a perfectly scripted EMU that stops at PoP. Hell, I'd donate....

Why not play Takp then?

[dafier]

On live, GoD is where I stopped playing. I really did like that expansion now that you mention it. But, hands down, for me PoP was the best experience. The progression, once I mapped it out for myself before it was posted by people on the internet was great fun. Farming with guildys to get the ....items you turn in for spells and what not and all the extra stuff you had to do in order to keep up was amazing.

The dynamic of the game changed in a great way. Classic EQ was gone, yes, but the amount of things on your plate as a single player was overwhelming and fun.

[dafier]

Why not play Takp then?

Last I heard they were on Luclin. It's been a while. I played...umm p2002 for a bit. I had fun. And, NO I am not one of those people that is going to address the drama, so please don't respond negatively.

I did read about TAKP though, and it looked promising. Thanks for the reminder. I will check it out.

[bigjerry]

it's by far the best eq server

[dafier]

I was just looking at the first page of this post. Could we get more screenshots please?

OH! Especially the Vampire castle...in...damn where is that? I loved that place. Or, is that Legacy of Y? It was before PoP. I used to farm there for Gems.

[Daldaen]

Tenebrous Mountains.

[dafier]

Tenebrous Mountains.

DAL! Give me a fix. Post a pic for me. OH PLEASE! And, go to the top where the ...last named spawns.

Those drains are brutal. My epic pet could do it though. And, thanks.

[bigjerry]

Best server if you wanna play where staff is also shit. Sure.

huh? the staff is shit?

[Bruno]

Just popped into the PoS thread on daybreak progression forums. Looks like no progress has been made. It's going to be a fun first two weeks for AoS, OGC, EoE, and maybe one of the euro guilds? I can't wait to see that drama.

[Mistle]

LoY is bundled with PoP for 3 months. LDoN gets 3 months after that before GoD. Essentially 6 months of PoP raiding. It'll be a little long but if there was 1 expansion that I'd be okay with spending extra time in it's probably PoP. GoD/OoW are both great expansions too and worth waiting for imo.

GoD and OoW are both shit and mostly responsible for killing EQ in the first place. It's no coincidence every progression server so far has taken a massive dump in population when those come out and this time will be no different.

Daybreak has already basically acknowledged that this will happen again with their musing on releasing a new progression server later on in the year. They know what happened before and what will happen again and want to keep the numerous people who will otherwise quit when GoD comes out still playing.

[dafier]

Nevermind Daldaen. I got it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s09FdTNomI4

[Mistle]

GoD was released nearly a year before WoW was (early feb vs late nov 2004). EQ population was in freefall from that moment on. It was a colossal disaster even the devs acknowledged at the time.

SOE's President, John Smedley, was quoted as saying that Gates of Discord was the company's "worst mistake in five years."

[Mistle]

All I see are excuses. Same as when the exact same thing happened on the other progression servers. What will the excuse be when the population collapses this time, I wonder? Too many loot councils not enough DKP?

[maskedmelon]

I think WoW beta was going on. The full game didn't release til later in the year. But anyone that was playing EQ at the time knows that WoW was slowly chipping away at their guilds over time. Everyone didn't leave all at the same time they slowly got pulled away by friends playing WoW talking them into it. That's how I ended up switching to WoW. I didn't switch to WoW til like early 2006 tho.

This a super good point. EQ and EQ2 were both WAY better games than wow. It's just all the gay sheeple got all heated up over a brand name mmo

#booblizzard
#blizzardisbaad
#blizzardsucksalot

[Mistle]

Well, Vulak had zero, Fippy had one. Instances will keep Phinny going longer, but no one is nostalgic for the shit that was GoD and OoW. Without the new blood coming in, guilds will slowly die out.

Revisit me when DoN releases and we'll see what excuses you are running then. I'm sure you'll find something to blame.

[burkemi5]

Gotta love the "lol u dum cuck rading past when content wuz fun." Seriously though, does it really matter when phinny dies? Who gives a shit? Why are you even arguing about this? As he said, as long as people are able to raid in any fashion, it will still be a success. Where else can you raid legit progression GoD/ OoW? With actual people and not 64 boxes?

[Mistle]

Wait, you think going from 21 guilds to 8 would be something to crow about being right about?

Anyways total number of people playing is the measurement I am going with.

[Man0warr]

I mean everything is instanced, it's not overpopulated. It really only comes into play when they make dumb decisions like Seru and BoT key mobs.

[eadric]

GoD (Uuqa in particular) killed about 2/3 of the guilds on Quellious server. People just seemed to realize that it was summer outside, the sun was shining and that girls are attractive, or that WoW was more fun.

It's not just the bland, ugly zone and content design, but also the difficulty level of some of the GoD content that can't be overstated. I doubt it will be as hard on phinny, but even so you guys are in for a rude awakening after the raider's heaven that was PoP.

[nhdjoseywales]

GoD (Uuqa in particular) killed about 2/3 of the guilds on Quellious server. People just seemed to realize that it was summer outside, the sun was shining and that girls are attractive, or that WoW was more fun.

It's not just the bland, ugly zone and content design, but also the difficulty level of some of the GoD content that can't be overstated. I doubt it will be as hard on phinny, but even so you guys are in for a rude awakening after the raider's heaven that was PoP.

They retuned GoD

[eadric]

Yeah...GoD at level 70 will not be hard. Which is when we are getting it.

Ah, that's probably for the best. GoD just wasn't fun in its original flavor.

[Daldaen]

Ah, that's probably for the best. GoD just wasn't fun in its original flavor.

Wiping 60-70 times per event is the most fun I had in EQ Raiding.

Underfoot was incredible for this. There were about 2-3 events you would one shot and then the rest you would take like 20-60 attempts learning the event, figuring out a strat and then executing the strat.

That is true EQ Raiding. I really hope they push GoD up 3 months and merge it with LDoN.

[arsenalpow]

I'm expecting a serious challenge from PoP. Once we got out of rags in velious we clubbed that expansion. Luclin been been a pushover really, Vex Thal is a slog but doable. I'm looking forward to it.

[Daldaen]

I'm expecting a serious challenge from PoP. Once we got out of rags in velious we clubbed that expansion. Luclin been been a pushover really, Vex Thal is a slog but doable. I'm looking forward to it.

From the testing we have done so far everything will be easy except PoEarth B.

Gintolaken is still no joke because of how hard he hits and his memory blur

Rathe Council is rough because the Mighty Buff seems to increase their regen a lot, you're going to have to offtank 6 while you go back and rebeat down all the mezzables to 5%. We had one regen up to 40% from 5% when we were locking down all 6. Not to mention the timer is now 5:45 rather than 7:00 to kill all 12.

Everything else has proven pretty easy. Though who knows what PoTime will look like with Mighty Buffs.

[Daldaen]

Even before underfoot we get DoDH, the PoB flagging is such fun fights, both Emperor Draygun & Sendaii, the Hive Queen are ridiculously challenging if your doing them with stacks of Curse of Blood already on you.

DoDH Blood raids were great. I loved Sendaii.

But Demiplane is really where it's at. Performer shows you who is retarded and who is a competent player. Really amazing how a single emote based fight shows you this. Mayong... that battle music, such wow.

[Daldaen]

Txevu Zun gives you the Signet of Command to request the Tacvi instance. That was probably the best scripted fight in GoD. Extremely difficult to do at level 65 only.

All the adds, the jails, the charming, the pets. Such a good event.

[Ravager]

Thy Flesh Consumed was the best expansion of them all.

[LostCause]

will have plenty of time with the gap between good expansions after PoP

[mr_jon3s]

Yea gotta admit not too impressed with the difficulty level of the raid targets we've tested thus far in PoP on test server. Hoping the PoTime stuff is tuned better. But honestly whatever. Even if its easy it'll still be cool to do all the content again. Plus most of the good guilds will be splitting stuff as much as possible which automatically makes it challenging with fewer numbers. Doing test raids with 60+ players isn't a good indicator when we'll likely be 3 splitting a lot of stuff with 20-30

Well the thing is with everyone having VT pretty much full VT gear and knowing all the encounters of course its gonna be easy.

[sirelothar]

Well the thing is with everyone having VT pretty much full VT gear and knowing all the encounters of course its gonna be easy.

Correct. Wish more folks understood this.

[maurilax]

This was in response to releasing GoD raid content massively overtuned. Yes it was a huge mistake. Once it was tuned properly the content itself was great.

NICE TRY THO

Only because its somewhat interesting here are the pop graphs for mmos including that time. Its clear that eq tanked once wow came out. The beta for wow hit around the same time as GoD release. I remember playing both in semi hardcore guilds at the time and doing GoD progression felt really frustrating compared to the new/fun WoW with solo content and lots of QoL stuff.

anyway I know you guys just want to get back to shit slinging, but here are the numbers.

Pooka (in Tipt?) Charming was the shit in GoD btw

http://imgur.com/Dt8zJ

http://i.imgur.com/0KKCR.png


http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/1183234-Some-info-on-sub-numbers-Not-just-for-SWTOR

[khysanth]

http://i.imgur.com/IrQUcJn.jpg

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[Phantasm]

let it go Troll, let it go

[Swish]

So I'm in the middle of raiding VT and achieving our guild fastest clear time (2 hours 32 minutes 30 seconds full clear with 50 players) and I get a tell from a random noob monk. Turns out its a recent convert from P99. He asked to remain anonymous but said he read my posts and looked me up. Ended up hooking him up with 1000pp to get some starter weapons and HP rings and crap. Gave him some buffs and chatted a bit. Talked shit about BDA and how much better Phinny is in many ways. Was a good time.

What'd u guys do tonight? Any wallstaring contests?

Had a great time immersing myself with other players and not playing the antisocial version of EQ where we zone into 1 out of 10 instanced versions of a zone.

Sorry you're antisocial and don't enjoy playing in the true spirit of EQ as it was meant to be played.

If Phinny doesn't work out will you retreat to single player games like Skyrim and claim you're the best at that? (in your own version of it of course)

[Erati]

did you guys beat the event?

Dald can chime in to tell how far EoEs first try got to, going to try tonight again tho

[Daldaen]

So we tested Rathe Council tonight for the first time after VT. I take back everything I said about PoP being too easy. I don't even remember doing this event at all on live. I must've got piggy'd past it or something or maybe my memory is just completely fucked. This is legit probably the first actual hard encounter in EverQuest. Classic-Velious and even Luclin is nothing but tank and spank dodge AE's over and over and over again. Pretty much any guild with decent numbers that's not COMPLETELY retarded can beat classic-luclin content. Rathe Council is going to separate the men from the boys. 18 out of 21 raiding guilds on Phinny have registered AHR kills on Phinnykills. I wouldn't be surprised if the number of guilds that complete rathe council is under ~12 during PoP era. Can't wait to hear the shitty guilds cry that the content is too hard. Gonna be glorious.

P.S. I know it's not REALLY that hard. If people do their jobs and don't fuck up too much it's really not that bad. But it's nice to see a significant ramp up in difficulty compared to pretty much all the classic content. I don't think its unreasonable that the bottom 5ish guilds on the server will struggle with content that isn't completely faceroll.

Rathe is funny because it's going to require you have level 64 Enchanters and 65 Bards to mez. So you will need your Cc classes to neckbeard inbetween raids. You can't just grind raids all the way into PoTime until those classes are leveled and have their mez spells.

Will be interesting to see what the nerds do about this conundrum. The rest of the EP flagging chain will be no problem at 61. I expect most guilds that are racing to break into EPs day two or three, depending on status of Storm picks. Then grind out levels in Fire/Water/Earth during non raid times to be 65 by the time Rathe Council is to be killed.

The other thing I think will be the Bertox split. Because you can't just herpderp your way through the event with 72 nerds if you want to do it within the first week, due to Carprin only giving out 36 keys, forcing racing guilds to do Bertox with only 36 should make it a little bit of a challenge especially at 61 before all defensive AAs are buyable.

I think we are going to do Rathe Council tonight on Test at a designated raid time with no batphone. Feels good man.

[Daldaen]

did you guys beat the event?

Dald can chime in to tell how far EoEs first try got to, going to try tonight again tho

We were up to 9 locked down when one of our two enchanters who were actually level 65 for messing forgot to remez and the mez cubby went haywire.

Rathe Council I bet is going to be the only encounter in PoP to never be killed in the open world. Way to easy to just drop 1 PBAE into the 6 mezzables to wipe the raid.

[Swish]

whole thread is p terrible honestly

[Baler]

http://i.imgur.com/pzCdYav.gif
giggle

[Relbaic]

So I'm in the middle of raiding VT and achieving our guild fastest clear time (2 hours 32 minutes 30 seconds full clear with 50 players) and I get a tell from a random noob monk. Turns out its a recent convert from P99. He asked to remain anonymous but said he read my posts and looked me up. Ended up hooking him up with 1000pp to get some starter weapons and HP rings and crap. Gave him some buffs and chatted a bit. Talked shit about BDA and how much better Phinny is in many ways. Was a good time.

What'd u guys do tonight? Any wallstaring contests?

I grouped with a guy in Velks who left OGC because he was disgusted with the behavior of the people and the officers asking members to purposely train players out of camps.

This shittalking thing is fun.

[nhdjoseywales]

I grouped with a guy in Velks who left OGC because he was disgusted with the behavior of the people and the officers asking members to purposely train players out of camps.

This shittalking thing is fun.

You grouped with a liar. Management makes no such demands or requests of members. I have seen an individual who seems to take that attitude but he is neither an officer nor a long-term member. I tend to avoid groups with those type of people. If you want to make a blanket statement that all guilds have a couple shitbags in them I would agree but as a whole, we are no worse than anyone else.

[Phantasm]

lol to train or not to train


a real hero wouldn't have to ask

[Daldaen]

Our first night was pretty rough. We had a couple lvl 100-105s present to kill shit and reset the event when shit went haywire so we didn't full wipe just to save time. We were there for prolly 3ish hours. I can't go into specifics on our strategy but I think if we can get adequate number of enc/bards high enough lvl with the right spells to handle mezzes we should be able to complete the event in 2-3 attempts. No matter how good your guild is there's always one nerd breaking mez or otherwise fucking up. All it takes is 1 small fuck up to fully wipe your raid on this encounter as I'm sure you know.

Does it make me a bad person that I'm kind of excited that this content is probably going to break some guilds? If it ends up being anything like Live when semi difficult content appears some of the guilds on the bottom start exploding and guilds at/near the top end up with a lot of new recruits. 21 is too many raiding guilds for 1 server anyway bring it on.
Sorry but I had to LOL a little bit about can't go into specifics of your strategy. Like OGC has some super sekret strat.

I'll save you the effort.

The Councilmen spawn on pedestals at positions on a clock, every other one is mezzable. Pull those out first. Either pull them onto the south side of the island or directly into the drop in cubby. Mez them then stick slow and other debuffs. Then roll your CH chain or spot Heal depending on mana efficiency concerns, beat down the Councilmen to 5%, no DoTs after 80%, remove DoT augs from weaponry. Mesmerize it and use Paladin Divine Stun to punt into the back of the corner. Mark NPC as necessary to keep track of mezzable targets if necessary.

Repeat 6 times until all 6 are mezzed in the back of the cubby. If regen is an issue go through at this point dropping all back down to 5%, break them one by one. Then move the main raid to the center island. Keep All Enchanters except one, 1 Shaman, 1 Bard, 1 Cleric in the mezzable cubby to refresh mez, debuffs, and keep chorus up. Enchanters can wield non-magic weaponry and attack their mob to prevent the random memblurs that occur on mezzed mobs on live. Or you can roll the dice and just cast tash after every mez too.

The main raid will take on tankables with the similar strategy from before. When the flecking is complete at 20% leave behind one Tank and 1-2 priests to keep the tank healed. Beat down to 5% and move on to the next one. Separate your raid enough such that AEs from different Councilmen aren't overlapping.

Have one enchanter/Shaman continually run between them reslowing and debuffing.

When all 6 tankables are engaged and being offtanked at 5% HP send the main raid to the mez cubby. Fire off MGB SotW/CR and begin breaking mezzed to beat them down. If Regen is a problem do this one by one until the mezzables are all under 5%. Or just faceroll and kill them. You have 5:45 to kill all 12 or you have failed.

Avatar of Earth spawns and is a pushover, enjoy Time pixels.

[Papa]

I can't go into specifics on our strategy

yea you don't want to let those 17 year old strategies out of the bag :P

[derpcake]

there is nothing new to learn about EQ after this long even though its new to you

not in the way of exploits / strats / whatever you call it

many before did it, and a lot of them were good at it

[dafier]

Damn Daldaen.....you just reminded me of those PoE-B raids. HOLY CRAP they were all damn day. What a pain in the ass.

PoW was MUCH easier.

Actually, imo, PoF was the easiest. We smoked PoF like it was nothing. PoW was stupid because there was always 1 or 2 people that would fail at EB, but over all not difficult. PoE wasn't that bad, but Earth B raid was looooong.

Ugh...I miss those times. Oh well, fond memories.

[Mistle]

That's something that NOBODY knew about or was ever able to execute in era on my live server but even mediocre guilds were able to do it on P99.

Lol. If you understood how much unclassical shit is actually going on under the covers on P99 you wouldn't be sitting here posting nonsense like this.

[Daldaen]

The basic gist of the strat is 100% common knowledge. I'm aware of that. There's a couple specific things that are different about how the event works on live/TLP servers compared to how it worked originally. What that is and how we handle it is what I was talking about.

Do you guys remember original live servers and how people played/raided? When you look at P99 now and the strategies/tricks that are common knowledge. Pretty much NOBODY knew about them back in the day. Or almost nobody. I learned so much shit on P99 about Everquest that I never knew even existed back in the day. Spamming instant clickies to insta-refresh spell slot 1 is a good example or even better yet just look at the train up/pull down method of pulling VP dragons to zone-in. That's something that NOBODY knew about or was ever able to execute in era on my live server but even mediocre guilds were able to do it on P99. If I really thought about it I'm sure I could come up with a pretty long list of that kind of stuff.

When I joined OGC it was almost like P99 all over again. People are doing stuff I've never seen any other guild pull off. I've learned a bunch of tricks and weird game mechanics that I never knew about before. I know it sounds ridiculous and everyone will say "Hurrdurr its 17 yr old game there isn't anything that's not common knowledge" but I promise you're wrong. How many guilds u know on Phinny full clearing VT in 2 1/2 hours without a full raid?

Okay I'll bite. The only differences are the spawn timer, regen rate and the mighty buff. It's going to force guilds to manage HP on the mezzables more carefully. Done the event many times. Nothing has changed beyond those things.

The reason you can clear VT in 2.5 hours is because you're willing to exploit extremely grey areas of the game. I guarantee you without taunting mobs through the Z-Axis or Z-Axis healing you wouldn't be clearing it like that. (Many guilds do this)

That's partially what endgame EQ turned into, after you figure out what some scripts are requiring you do (which everyone has already done with these raids), it's figuring out what grey areas you are okay with and what do you feel cheeses the game too much. There are plenty of great examples of this. Granted the Mighty Buff does change up a few things but not many.

During most every expansion there's one or two AEs improperly flagged beneficial so people would often data mine and figure out which were and add them to their blocked Buff window. I'm trying to recall the one that this was a big deal with but it was one of the most punishing AEs in the expansion and certain guilds would clearly exploit it being incorrectly flagged beneficial and add it to their blocked buffs.

In UF the Creation trial was split into two, if you evacuated the right half of the raid once the air Elemental and mephits were up, the Elemental would AE and the mephits would aggro and kill off the Elemental (boss) if they didn't have anyone on their aggro. Some guilds just evacced or wiped out on purpose to let the NPCs faction war and auto win the event, others refused to do this and killed the mephits off as intended before returning to the Elemental boss.

In HoT the final boss had a self Buff that he would emote when he was about to buff himself with it, it had a huge DS so you had to turn off attack or you're melee would immediately die. Guilds figured out that a certain SK DoT that no one used would block him from buffing himself with it and you could completely block the detrimental effect. My guild felt that was too cheesy so we banned using the debuff on raids because it certainly wasn't intended. A few patches later the stacking issue was resolved.

Etc. Every expansion had a few events that were difficult and had some weird quirk, mechanic, stacking issue or oversight that could be cheesed to trivialize the encounter. Some guilds went for all of them, some picked and chose what they were cool with.

I'm not saying there aren't shitty guilds or that some guilds will get stuck on Rathe. There surely will be. Hell I think even Gintolaken will wipe some shitty guilds. But let's not pretend there are secret strategies for this old of an encounter. If anything there are exploits like faction warring pit spawns to fight Rallos Zek for you. Clearly not intended, and not an actual strategy.

[Raev]

I definitely agree with Troll here; look at the solo artist challenge for example. People just didn't realize what was possible.

[Donjulio]

There was this monk on Phinny when I started that rustled the f#ck out of pretty much everyone on the server. His name was Keon, and he was one of the finest EQ trolls I have ever encountered...and I wanted to f#cking kill him every time I saw him.

Keon is a fucking legend.

[Daldaen]

I definitely agree with Troll here; look at the solo artist challenge for example. People just didn't realize what was possible.

The majority of the impressive kills were done during extremely bullshit invis pulling or sneak pulling era. As always, the biggest challenge in EQ is typically the environment. When you can isolate mobs from the environment they operate in, the event/mob becomes much easier.

Like pulling Emperor Ssraeshza out of his room to avoid dealing with his 8 nearly instantly respawning adds.

[Daldaen]

Dald what would you estimate the %'age of the Everquest playerbase to be as knowledgeable about EQ and its mechanics as you are? It's unlikely that we're using a strat or a mechanic that you're unaware of. But I think you're smart enough to realize that a HUGE percentage of average joe EQ players are completely ignorant of almost everything you just posted. My point all along (and I tried to be clear about this. Sorry if I wasn't) is that there are a LOT of strats/exploits/mechanics/tricks that aren't common knowledge and only known to a small portion of players. You happen to be counted in that small portion. Just because you know it doesn't mean the majority knows it.

I don't disagree a lot of people are clueless how the mobs that get pulled into their camp get pulled in, or how some mechanics get defeated by a raid as a whole.

But there is a distinction I make between using a strategy, which includes group makeup, how you split up your groups, who you designate to tank, how you decide to tank swap, how you handle adds in the event, how you handle AEs, how you handle cures, when you MGB heals if at all... and using an exploit.

Emperor Ssraeshza is a perfect example. Your strategy typically would include mezzing the 4, setting up enchanters for this task and some debuffer or healer. Setting up 1-2 knights to aggro the unmezzables and designating a debuffer and healers to keep them up. Plus dealing with the heals for the MT and designating someone to cure the Mt.

Your exploit would be pull him out of the room and avoid half the event (the add mechanics). This I'm really unimpressed by and would be something guilds would eat and for back in the day. The event was designed to be done in his room and removing him from his room makes it a stupidly trivial event.

[Daldaen]

Do you think anybody in 1999-2000 knew a monk could solo Ragefire?

Do you think anybody in 1999-2000 thought about staying in Kunark for 5 years to farm ice giant toes to make wort pots, make Level 52 Alts to farm Nagafen for Bladestoppers and Prayers of Life and then put those on a Monk rather than a Warrior or Knight?

Some of the solo artist things done on this server would have been doable and impressive for a player from 1999-2000 to watch. Others wouldn't have been even remotely possible.

Svenn's solo of Sebilite Protector for example. Done by invis pulling two mobs from the top side all the way down to Trak area to then puppet strings them. Not doable for 2 big reasons. Invis pulling was bullshit on P99 and lazy aggro was a thing on live Kunark.

Things done on the Titanium client then compared to 1999-2000 though just is too much apples and oranges. Raev you have played on the TAK client. Tell me how easy it is to deal with not being able to scroll wheel to 3rd person and target mobs around the corner for Pacify. Or how easy it is to mez 4 mobs in your camp when you can't cycle Target through them. Etc.

Don't get me wrong though. I love me some solo artist challenges. Drawing on all your clickies and abilities and knowledge of P99 mechanics to do things that would've been ridiculous in 1999 is awesome. But it's really not comparable when you have an updated client, with bigger monitors, logging programs, better internet, 6 year base to farm up play to afford clickies/consumables/raid gear.

[Raev]

The majority of the impressive kills were done during extremely bullshit invis pulling or sneak pulling era.

Some yes (I still think my 'dictate the myconid spore king and bracer him so I could invis pull' strategy was pretty sweet) but I wouldn't say the majority. We take it for granted now that you can do Drusella solo, Xenevorash, Ragefire, seb protector or Tolapumj with 2, Chardok royals with 4, HOT with 1 group, Vindi with 15, etc but I think people's heads would have exploded back in 2000 if they saw these things.

Also, if I ever get to 60 on TAKP I'm pretty sure I can pull the myconid spore king to the tube room and kill him with my monk/sham duo. I also want to try a Ring War with 30-40.

[Relbaic]

You grouped with a liar. Management makes no such demands or requests of members. I have seen an individual who seems to take that attitude but he is neither an officer nor a long-term member. I tend to avoid groups with those type of people. If you want to make a blanket statement that all guilds have a couple shitbags in them I would agree but as a whole, we are no worse than anyone else.

Of course he's a liar.

[Papa]

it's obvious the reason he doesn't want to share the "strats" is because they are probably more like "grey area exploits"

[LostCause]

only reason to cheese fights is for $$$ WTS loot rights for $$$

even back in the day RMT was huge.. lol

[nhdjoseywales]

Sorry but I had to LOL a little bit about can't go into specifics of your strategy. Like OGC has some super sekret strat.

I'll save you the effort.

The Councilmen spawn on pedestals at positions on a clock, every other one is mezzable. Pull those out first. Either pull them onto the south side of the island or directly into the drop in cubby. Mez them then stick slow and other debuffs. Then roll your CH chain or spot Heal depending on mana efficiency concerns, beat down the Councilmen to 5%, no DoTs after 80%, remove DoT augs from weaponry. Mesmerize it and use Paladin Divine Stun to punt into the back of the corner. Mark NPC as necessary to keep track of mezzable targets if necessary.

Repeat 6 times until all 6 are mezzed in the back of the cubby. If regen is an issue go through at this point dropping all back down to 5%, break them one by one. Then move the main raid to the center island. Keep All Enchanters except one, 1 Shaman, 1 Bard, 1 Cleric in the mezzable cubby to refresh mez, debuffs, and keep chorus up. Enchanters can wield non-magic weaponry and attack their mob to prevent the random memblurs that occur on mezzed mobs on live. Or you can roll the dice and just cast tash after every mez too.

The main raid will take on tankables with the similar strategy from before. When the flecking is complete at 20% leave behind one Tank and 1-2 priests to keep the tank healed. Beat down to 5% and move on to the next one. Separate your raid enough such that AEs from different Councilmen aren't overlapping.

Have one enchanter/Shaman continually run between them reslowing and debuffing.

When all 6 tankables are engaged and being offtanked at 5% HP send the main raid to the mez cubby. Fire off MGB SotW/CR and begin breaking mezzed to beat them down. If Regen is a problem do this one by one until the mezzables are all under 5%. Or just faceroll and kill them. You have 5:45 to kill all 12 or you have failed.

Avatar of Earth spawns and is a pushover, enjoy Time pixels.

ITS AS IF YOU SPIED ON US :p

[cummnugglet]

whats going on in here

[Mistle]

If Troll didn't know about it, no one else did either.

If Troll couldn't do something, no one else could either.

If Troll liked something, everyone else did too.

Gee, almost like there's a pattern here.

http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/narcissistic-personality-disorder/basics/definition/con-20025568

If you have narcissistic personality disorder, you may come across as conceited, boastful or pretentious. You often monopolize conversations. You may belittle or look down on people you perceive as inferior. You may feel a sense of entitlement — and when you don't receive special treatment, you may become impatient or angry. You may insist on having "the best" of everything — for instance, the best car, athletic club or medical care.

The best VP shaman hammers too?

[Mistle]

irrelevant BDA member

Narcissistic personality disorder is a mental disorder in which people have an inflated sense of their own importance

Did you have a single friend left in BDA when you left? Just curious. Personally I thought you never should have been let back in after you had a hissy fit over loot despite skipping 95% of the raids to camp Heiro cloaks. Wasn't alone!

[Mistle]

My issue has always been with the leadership of BDA

You may be generally unhappy and disappointed when you're not given the special favors or admiration you believe you deserve.

Very, um, "unique" version of history you have there. LOL

I've never hidden who I am here. Even Swish knew. Not sure why you were so slow on the uptake. And I've certainly never thrown any fit about people leveling too fast. My issues with Phinny had nothing to do with BDA or any of the people in it.

Those were some... long... RL breaks. But hey, I guess 7 out of the last 10 raids after skipping the previous several hundred still counts as 70% right!

Was bitching and moaning about loot something unique to your time in BDA or were you like that on Live before too?

[Mistle]

Or you're just super dumb idk.[quote]

[quote=Mayo]At the same time, you have trouble handling anything that may be perceived as criticism. You may have secret feelings of insecurity, shame, vulnerability and humiliation. To feel better, you may react with rage or contempt and try to belittle the other person to make yourself appear superior.

Bitching about loot is something that started and ended with BDA for me. Every other guild I've been a part of in every MMO since 1999 has been DKP and I get what I earn. Nothing more nothing less. Very different than raiding with 90%+ attendance for 4 months with loot raining from the sky every night and getting a couple shitty scrap items to show for it.

Four months eh. Like, whole months. Wowsers.

Maybe you're right though. I wonder if they were trying to tell you something.

:D

[Mistle]

Very strange. Having watched BDA give out loot for a long time, I never once got a sense of that. I'm not going to say I agreed with every decision because that is impossible, but even when I disagreed I *never* saw a time where I didn't think they had at least a reasonable basis for their decision. There were times I knew Chest was holding his nose giving out loot to someone, but he still did it.

But then, that's the strength of loot council over the cold spreadsheet of dkp. You can look beyond just attendance. Did you ever try to see why things were the way they were beyond how you felt mistreated?

Expecting special favors and unquestioning compliance with your expectations
Taking advantage of others to get what you want
Having an inability or unwillingness to recognize the needs and feelings of others
Being envious of others and believing others envy you
Behaving in an arrogant or haughty manner

[Swish]

Sounds like a terrible loot system where frequent attendees were overlooked in favor of some close pals.

Who'd want to be in a guild like that? Not half the TLP players that followed BDA and left when they got there apparently.

[Mistle]

BDA would not have survived years with incredible loyalty from its members if that were true, Swish. You know this.

How many guilds could have survived a move like that? You can say the trust was misplaced all you like, it's your vendetta after all, but you have to admit the trust was there, which means the trust, in the eyes of the members, was earned.

[Swish]

Perhaps, but also enough people didn't like the system that Omni broke away and became as successful if not more so.

Wasn't there another breakaway guild as well?

[Phantasm]

BDA lost members to FE/Omni, though I wouldn't really say Omni has out-shone BDA as a capable raiding guild. Outside of their alliance I'm not certain Omni would have been able to compete as a single raid entity with many of the higher tier mobs (no offense).

I'm curious though as to these issues people seemingly had with the loot council system? The leadership literally asked if anyone had the desire to step up to the officer position multiple times?? Anyway, keep bitching about loot etc

[Mistle]

Perhaps, but also enough people didn't like the system that Omni broke away and became as successful if not more so.

How much do you know of Cloki's history with BDA? For that matter, how many ex-BDA are actually in Omni now?

It's kind of funny. The people who complain most about BDA's loot council always seem to be the same people who have a dubious reputation when it comes to how they handled loot.

Wasn't there another breakaway guild as well?

Well are we counting things like Rustle? That's a pretty special case.

[Daldaen]

Did Rathe Council last night.

All 12 dead within 3 minutes. Was good fun doing it with only 50ish. On Al'Kabor we were typically rolling with 60 mains and about 20 boxes. But of course Phinigel is a lot easier with all the updates.

PoP launch should be fun. Just hoping Plane of Storms has 10+ picks. Some of the bigger scumbags in the guild are already extremely excited to train and killsteal.

[Daldaen]

I'm pumped to train and killsteal!

Yep this guy will be dispelling all of your debuffs and training you. No guilds are safe from him.

[khysanth]

http://i.imgur.com/IrQUcJn.jpg

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[dafier]

Did Rathe Council last night.

All 12 dead within 3 minutes. Was good fun doing it with only 50ish. On Al'Kabor we were typically rolling with 60 mains and about 20 boxes. But of course Phinigel is a lot easier with all the updates.

PoP launch should be fun. Just hoping Plane of Storms has 10+ picks. Some of the bigger scumbags in the guild are already extremely excited to train and killsteal.

I remember learning that fight. It was fun. After though, ya, clearing B was within minutes of emote. Grats on the quickness.

[nhdjoseywales]

I'm pumped to train and killsteal!

But you aren't in OGC.......

[Papa]

But you aren't in OGC.......

OGC EoE and AoS will all be guilty of having shitty players acting shittily at the start of every xpac

[Daldaen]

I certainly have a character in OGC. See you in Plane of water.

Lol at PoWater being the point to blow it.

Just say "I am ready to return" to Tylis in PoTorment after Keeper of Sorrows script to send everyone back to Saryrn's tower. Instantly you prevent 72 nerds from completing their Elemental Flag since they missed the KoS flag and are now locked out for 7 days. There will be much salt to be had.

[Papa]

wait wait wait

you mean to tell me

you managed to sneak a spy into a guild of 150+ active warmbodies that 3 splits everything (and the guild leader even leads a guild on another server)?

[Daldaen]

Wait what guild does the guild leader lead?

[Erati]

he prob has a laptop to box his spies while he flags his main

[pasi]

They still planning on having OoW go live with Gates? Thought the other progression server a while back did Tunat (not sure Krakxt) at 65?

[Daldaen]

Not too difficult to beat dudes who aren't required to take off work or missing the Super Bowl in order to raid PoP launch so hard :).

[Papa]

jcr so immersed in the only guild that actually cares about killing stuff first (take off work/use vacation days guys, train whoever you need to in order to progress)

[burkemi5]

I love the idea of Phinny, don't personally play there, but cmon, does it really matter who gets first kills on an instances server?

[mr_jon3s]

Or raid holidays LOL. PoP going to last 6 months honestly don't think it matters who kills 14 year old content first.

This is what I don't get. We're gonna have 6 months of PoP if your a full time raider by the time LDoN comes out your gonna have mostly Time/ele with a little bit of VT gear. So what's the rush? When GoD/OoW comes out everyone is gonna be full Time geared maxed AA with 130 AA's banked.

[nhdjoseywales]

No one is going to sit out raids dude on launch holy shit. Hope I get put in the split with that warrior that rages 24/7 and is terrible at Everquest. What's his name again?

Detoxx isnt in our guild.

[nhdjoseywales]

Wait what guild does the guild leader lead?

Satoshi=Dima Leader of Citizen on Fippy

[Raev]

So how severe will this plane of storms bottleneck be? 10 people / day? more? less?

[nhdjoseywales]

This is what I don't get. We're gonna have 6 months of PoP if your a full time raider by the time LDoN comes out your gonna have mostly Time/ele with a little bit of VT gear. So what's the rush? When GoD/OoW comes out everyone is gonna be full Time geared maxed AA with 130 AA's banked.

Part of the fun to some of us is seeing who, when everyone should be on even footing, can complete stuff first.

[nhdjoseywales]

So how severe will this plane of storms bottleneck be? 10 people / day? more? less?

Should be 100+ keys a day is what i understand.

[Relbaic]

So how severe will this plane of storms bottleneck be? 10 people / day? more? less?

Oh a lot more with picks. Someone in the guild did the math and its about 540 people that can get keyed a day, assuming no douche baggery, giants die in a timely manner and about 15 /picks are opened. Maybe more, probably less, but most people that need it should have it within the first week.

[nhdjoseywales]

9 minis that drop 3 pieces each. need 2 diff pieces to make a key. 4.5 hour respawn. multiply times number of open picks.

[pasi]

And PoStorms only opens up BoT which is required for Eplanes, but it's not like it blocks you from much else. Unless you plan on doing Bertox, Saryrn, Rallos, Mith Marr (and all their prerequisites) on day 1, does it really make much of a difference if you wait a day? Agnarr doesn't require individual keying.

Are they instancing Plane of Justice? That would more be my concern for zone-blocking.

[Relbaic]

Are they instancing Plane of Justice? That would more be my concern for zone-blocking.

They are.

[pasi]

Thanks. Come to think, we never killed Tribunal in-era and I remember actually killing Storm Lords a few times before realizing their RvR was total shit. Good on them realizing how big of a disaster non-instanced PoJ would be. Hopefully the GMs are as warning-happy as they were on live for people who dared to cast a fear spell in PoJ.

Also, hi Relbaic, pal of Scal.

[pasi]

From a quick google search, looks like they eventually turned off fear spells in PoJ. Wonder if that'll go in with progression.

Necros still have CoD for grinding, but RIP SKs AFK farming.