BDA to Phinigel

[Relbaic]

Thanks. Come to think, we never killed Tribunal in-era and I remember actually killing Storm Lords a few times before realizing their RvR was total shit. Good on them realizing how big of a disaster non-instanced PoJ would be. Hopefully the GMs are as warning-happy as they were on live for people who dared to cast a fear spell in PoJ.

Also, hi Relbaic, pal of Scal.

Scalpal! I miss my time on Innoruuk.

[nhdjoseywales]

OGC EoE and AoS will all be guilty of having shitty players acting shittily at the start of every xpac

Sure, but only OGC has "fans" who create similarly named guilds and act like asshats to try and make us look worse than we actually are. Remember Satoshibot waking the server? now there is a guy named Blastyou ksing folks with a Orginal Gangster Club tag. It feels kinda special to be this hated for no particular reason.

[nhdjoseywales]

Sure, but only OGC has "fans" who create similarly named guilds and act like asshats to try and make us look worse than we actually are. Remember Satoshibot waking the server? now there is a guy named Blastyou ksing folks with a Orginal Gangster Club tag. It feels kinda special to be this hated for no particular reason.

server = sleeper

i blame the drugs

[Daldaen]

Nobody is required to do any of that. If you actually had a spy you'd know that :P

So you won't be raiding at noon on a Wednesday on server up or on super bowl Sunday evening???

To correct a few incorrect statements:

There are 6 minis in BoT that drop 3 Esoteric Medallions each. These have the 4-6 hour respawn. There are also 3 Storm Giant Lords that drop 3 Esoteric Medallions each but they take probably 1-2 solid groups to down on Phinigel, maybe more. Those have something like a 3 day respawn. They also won't spawn in pick zones.

So per pick, you're going to have 6 minis x 3 Medallions x 5~ spawns per day / 2 Medallions per key = 45 keys per day per pickzone kept open.

The bottleneck will depend entirely on how many pick zones are kept open. If they somehow see 20 pick zones it won't be an issue (would require like 600 people to do this). I've never seen more than 6 simultaneous picks but I never been in a zone at an expansion launch.

[Relbaic]

So you won't be raiding at noon on a Wednesday on server up or on super bowl Sunday evening???

To correct a few incorrect statements:

There are 6 minis in BoT that drop 3 Esoteric Medallions each. These have the 4-6 hour respawn. There are also 3 Storm Giant Lords that drop 3 Esoteric Medallions each but they take probably 1-2 solid groups to down on Phinigel, maybe more. Those have something like a 3 day respawn. They also won't spawn in pick zones.

So per pick, you're going to have 6 minis x 3 Medallions x 5~ spawns per day / 2 Medallions per key = 45 keys per day per pickzone kept open.

The bottleneck will depend entirely on how many pick zones are kept open. If they somehow see 20 pick zones it won't be an issue (would require like 600 people to do this). I've never seen more than 6 simultaneous picks but I never been in a zone at an expansion launch.

Ssra routinely had 9-10 picks for a few days while people farmed insignias. PoS should have more to start because it leads to the prime XP spot in the expansion.

[getsome]

So you won't be raiding at noon on a Wednesday on server up or on super bowl Sunday evening???

To correct a few incorrect statements:

There are 6 minis in BoT that drop 3 Esoteric Medallions each. These have the 4-6 hour respawn. There are also 3 Storm Giant Lords that drop 3 Esoteric Medallions each but they take probably 1-2 solid groups to down on Phinigel, maybe more. Those have something like a 3 day respawn. They also won't spawn in pick zones.

So per pick, you're going to have 6 minis x 3 Medallions x 5~ spawns per day / 2 Medallions per key = 45 keys per day per pickzone kept open.

The bottleneck will depend entirely on how many pick zones are kept open. If they somehow see 20 pick zones it won't be an issue (would require like 600 people to do this). I've never seen more than 6 simultaneous picks but I never been in a zone at an expansion launch.

Server up is 2 pm. And those giants are in plane of storms not bot.

[Daldaen]

Server up is 2 pm. And those giants are in plane of storms not bot.

Good catch. PoStorms Giants for PoStorms flag*

They haven't posted a launch time anywhere have they?

[Daldaen]

Fucking RNF no edit rule. For BoT flag*

[getsome]

When you run the launcher the news update feed announces launch time as 2 pm est.

[Swish]

Fucking RNF no edit rule. For BoT flag*

"Rare footage of Daldaen actually angry" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzS96auqau0)

[getsome]

Yeah it's 2 pm pst apparently.

https://www.everquest.com/news/planes-of-power-unlock-phinigel-progression-server-feb-2017

[Daldaen]

Oh many a real unlock time! 5PM EST isn't so bad. Wonder how late the nerds are gonna raid.

I'm still thinking they are gonna remove the Tribunals from the PoJustice instance here soon after removing PoStorms minis and Thelin from PoNightmare instance. The bottleneck if they do this would be ridiculous. People might actually do the Flame trial.

[bigjerry]

What a pick zone?

the shower, for me. after some humidity they come right out.

sounds gross but i get bloody noses i can't risk any dried out nose daggers poking me & gettin blood on the mink when im out stuntin soooo

[mefdinkins]

do racials get balanced out on phinny!?

I'm a gnome for life but iksar regen + ac is so unbalanced. Also what do frogloks get?

[bigjerry]

i much prefer flamma to spartacus

[arsenalpow]

Most importantly backflip spell casting

[bigjerry]

But then you will realize you missed out on the super bowl to play 1 day of your next 180 of PoP

post has me loling hard

[Phistt]

Just fired this phinny shit back up for pop. Quit early velious, not gonna lie... shit fun haha

[Papa]

Consider phinny

[Daldaen]

Consider phinny

Did, and despite it requiring you Group for meaningful EXP, doing the raid content has been fun.

Looking forward to future expansions where content actually separates out the scrubs from the real raiding guilds.

Man if they give us GoD at level 65 I can't wait to see how many guilds stall out in Uqua or at Inktuta Cursecallers or at Txevu Zun or at the Tacvi balance zun. Would be so goood.

Even if they give us just OoW, seeing guilds fail at Simon says MPG trial and Jelvan and OMM is gonna be so goooood.

[mr_jon3s]

Did, and despite it requiring you Group for meaningful EXP, doing the raid content has been fun.

Looking forward to future expansions where content actually separates out the scrubs from the real raiding guilds.

Man if they give us GoD at level 65 I can't wait to see how many guilds stall out in Uqua or at Inktuta Cursecallers or at Txevu Zun or at the Tacvi balance zun. Would be so goood.

Even if they give us just OoW, seeing guilds fail at Simon says MPG trial and Jelvan and OMM is gonna be so goooood.

Tons of guilds run Boxes so I just imagine someone getting an emote on a box and not seeing it.

[entruil]

salt.

[Daldaen]

Audio triggers bruh. Everyone should be using GINA or at the very least in-game audio triggers.

sense your doom.

[entruil]

I remember meditating and hearing footsteps and have to stand up so i could see and look around... sound was only clue for medding besides /who

[Erati]

I had no idea why Dald was cursing so much, many lols

[Daldaen]

I wanted Seru pixels!

Very excited to do Seru offnight with 2 groups in PoP. I bet we can sell the BP loot rights for like 5-10 Kronos. Gonna be so gooood.

Also I was salty a main bard questioned my knowledge of EQ mechanics. He was wrong.

[Erati]

I didn't think it would hit them but somehow it hit my entire group. I hope I didn't ruin anyone's pixels as that was not the intention.

Nah he lost the horse fair and square

[khysanth]

http://i.imgur.com/IrQUcJn.jpg

46

[arsenalpow]

So the only things I got out of luclin were claws off cursed, emp ring, rotting seru shoulders, and shoes off the twins that were forced on me. Oh and I won a roll for the seru horsey. What's some easy upgrades in PoP? Ornate?

[Erati]

So the only things I got out of luclin were claws off cursed, emp ring, rotting seru shoulders, and shoes off the twins that were forced on me. Oh and I won a roll for the seru horsey. What's some easy upgrades in PoP? Ornate?

How did BDA not award you a AHR neck??????

[Phantasm]

Because LC is inherently biased, didn't you know 'tani?

[Daldaen]

You can do Seru with 2 groups in Luclin. We moved him off our regular schedule to FFA a few weeks ago. I think a group did him with like 10? Might be 1 group territory with a time geared grp

Yes but we still did it as a raid on our Ssra, AC, Seru night.

Plus I have 2 groups of pals and 1 Arx Key right now. Ideally we will get 2-3 keys done after PoP is out a bit and we can split up and sell even more Krono loot rights.

Kushie I will teach you how to pull Quavonis single to the tables or Griohin single to depth 3 if you want. Bard is very much fun in PoP.

[Erati]

Because LC is inherently biased, didn't you know 'tani?

Im shocked.

[Daldaen]

Im shocked.

Says the guy who wins Cursed Loot and Seru BP last night with a loot council. What a casual. Picking up these items this late into Luclin.

[Relbaic]

I'm sorry, why is the person that hasn't been part of the guild for 7 months worried about anything we do?

[arsenalpow]

I passed. Plenty of deserving people got Aten necks. I'll get something else down the line.

[arsenalpow]

IMO LC has its advantages. You won't have a beastlord taking a quarm hammer or a necro getting Abashi over the best monk in your guild.

As far as I'm concerned quarm hammer is for monks and rogues.

Why does the best 2hander only have 250hp? If you're going to sacrifice an offhand the stats should represent two weapons. The quarm hammer by itself is like 220hp.

[arsenalpow]

I mean loot council is flexible enough to figure that out. Abashi is a monk item specifically for the clicky when pulling. I'm going to generally favor a monk, but if that monk is new and the necro is a vet then I can lean that way.

When Kushie got his BP last night it was between him, one of our best warriors and one of our best paladins. Kushie hasn't been around most of the expansion, but the warrior already had the cursed BP and the paladin already had a seru BP. I couldn't in good conscience give that BP to the warrior or paladin even though they had been more of a factor raiding lately.

[Relbaic]

Necro with more dkp (that he earned) gets item over monk

Officer with 5 BiS pieces gets 6th BiS piece while extremely high attendance raiders wear complete garbage

Which scenario sounds better to you? Answer seems obvious to me but maybe I'm a weirdo

It's weird how... 50 pages ago it was 2, maybe 3 BiS items and now its 5 and 6. Make up your mind you ignorant troll.

[Erati]

Cant believe PoP comes out on Wed - the updates here will be fun again

Did BDA play around on Test Server ?

[Relbaic]

Cant believe PoP comes out on Wed - the updates here will be fun again

Did BDA play around on Test Server ?

Not as a raid, not sure if we had anyone copy over and poke around.

[arsenalpow]

Cant believe PoP comes out on Wed - the updates here will be fun again

Did BDA play around on Test Server ?

Nah. We'll figure it out as we go. We arent looking to race for firsts.

[Erati]

Nah. We'll figure it out as we go. We arent looking to race for firsts.

Firsts seems pretty pointless when there's many months to farm the expansion, agreed.

Are bonus XP weeks typical when an xpac comes out on TLPs or not really?

[bigjerry]

nice meme! (http://niceme.me)

[Daldaen]

For Kushi, found my guide to PoP EP mini pulls from Al'Kabor. Should be applicable for Phinny mostly too.:

Bard's Tools:

AAs:

Fading Memories - 900 Mana and removes you from all hatelists

Boastful Bellow (http://lucy.alkabor.com/spell_3282.html) - Small DD + Stun, 200 Range

--Note-- This AA does not break invis and can be used while DA'd

Singing Mastery 3 (SM3) - Increases power of singing based songs by 0.2 per rank (0.6 maxed)

Instrument Mastery 3 (IM3) - Increases power of instrument based songs by 0.2 per rank (0.6 maxed)

Songs:

Kazumi's Note of Preservation (http://lucy.alkabor.com/spell_1749.html) - 60 Song, Group DA, 12-18s Duration, 3min Recharge

Use this when getting hit by melee or an annoying spell is expected.

Harmony of Sound (http://lucy.alkabor.com/spell_3375.html) (Percussion) - 65 Song, 200 Range, Decreases Resists on Fire, Cold, Magic by 15


24 with IM3
36 with IM3 + Epic/EP Boots
51 with IM3 + TDoK
60 with Earth Drum


Use this to tag mobs, to reduce resists on incoming so that a slow sticks, to reduce resists on mez so that you can get rid of adds

Silent Song of Quellious (http://lucy.alkabor.com/spell_3361.html) - 61 Pacify, 200 Range

Use this to pacify mobs (level 65 cap)

Lullaby of Morell (http://lucy.alkabor.com/spell_3376.html) - 65 Mez, 200 Range

Use this against mobs to stagger your pull. It will separate your goal target from the excess trash you can pick up

Psalm of Veeshan (http://lucy.alkabor.com/spell_3368.html) (Singing) - 63 Resist song, 75 SV All


120 with SM3
165 with SM3 + VotS
225 with SM3 + VotS + Epic
240 with SM3 + VotS + Hydrotha Mask
248 with SM3 + Shei Cloak + Epic
263 with SM3 + Shei Cloak + Hydrotha Mask
300 with SM3 + Shei Cloak + Songblade
300 with SM3 + VotS + Epic + Amplify Song


Use this to resist casters spells, and reduce lava damage

Largo's Absonant Binding (http://lucy.alkabor.com/spell_1751.html) - 51 Snare, 150 Range

Use this against mez immune mobs (like giants) to stagger your pull. If your goal is snareable, snare it, fade and retag once snare ends after the rest of the mobs have cleared out.

Solon's Charismatic Concord (http://lucy.alkabor.com/spell_1765.html) (Singing) - 59 CHA Song, Increase CHA by 45

Use this before pacifying if your Charisma stat isn't capped, it reduces the amount of times a resisted pacify will get you aggro.


72 with SM3
99 with SM3 + VotS
135 with SM3 + VotS + Epic
144 with SM3 + VotS + Hydrotha Mask
149 with SM3 + Shei Cloak + Epic
158 with SM3 + Shei Cloak + Hydrotha Mask
180 with SM3 + Shei Cloak + Songblade
180 with SM3 + VotS + Epic + Amplify Song


Items:

Voice of the Serpent (http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=18657) - 0.6 Mod to singing

Tiny Cloak of Darkest Night (http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=7748) - 1.5s Self Invis

Singing Short Sword (http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=348) - Epic, 0.8 Mod to all song types


Specific Targets:

Plane of Water:

-Note about PoWater -- Triloun and Animals are seperate factions. A triloun pulled through sharks and fish, will not aggro them (given you aren't aggroing them through proximity or other means). So if you tag a Triloun -> Invis -> Swim through a pack of fish, the triloun will be single-

Grioihin the Wise:

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x205/Daldaen/Grioihin_zpsd794d9ec.png

K1+K2 are Krakken or Anglerfish adds in depth2 tunnel. They path along the red lines in that "Y" branch tunnel. Both need to be pulled to Raid and killed.
C is the pathing triloun champion. His path is along the rest of the red lines in the image.
S is the static shark add in that corner
T is the static triloun (non-champion) in that corner

Total of Trash needing pulled (NOTHING more needs pulled):
2 Krakken/Anglerfish (pather)
1 Triloun Champion (pather)
1 Triloun Misc. (static)
1 Shark (static)


Grioihin pull himself is easiest to do with 2 bards.

Bard 2 Role -


You sit just outside of Grioihin's room.
Pacify all the trilouns in sight (don't worry about ALL of the room being pacified). Generally this is only 3-4 triloun.
Tag Grioihin with Harmony of Sound.
Wait until he AE Stuns you and IMMEDIATELY fade.
When stun ends, tag Grioihin again either with HoS or Boastful Bellow.
ANNOUNCE to Bard1 that you have pulled with a hotkey.
Start swimming, DAing just relatively quickly, see map for a rough idea of where.
Swim towards the drop off.
Go down the drop off and fade.


Bard 1 Role -


Get a pretarget on Grioihin
Set up at the BOTTOM of the drop off
Once Bard2 hits their pull hotkey to alert you that Grioihin has been pulled, wait 5 or so seconds, and then start spamming Boastful Bellow
When Boastful Bellow lands (it will stop giving you out of range messages!), IMMEDIATELY DA
Pull Grioihin to the Ramp Tank
Fade to set Ramp


Solo Bard Role - This takes some getting used to. It is doable, but it requires you time your fade(s) and reaggros well. Sometimes just fading once and reaggroing after the shark corner isn't sufficient and he will catch you... But I've pulled it off a few times doing this method.


You sit just outside of Grioihin's room.
Pacify all the trilouns in sight (don't worry about ALL of the room being pacified). Generally this is only 3-4 triloun.
Tag Grioihin with Harmony of Sound.
Wait until he AE Stuns you and IMMEDIATELY fade.
When stun ends, tag Grioihin again with Harmony of Sound.
Swim halfway down the tunnel where "Cast DA Here" is marked and Fade.
Swim to the corner where Shark is usually, Tag with Boastful Bellow (you had to use HoS x 2 earlier so that BB is up and ready for instant reaggro)
Swim to drop off, Cast DA at the top of drop off.
Get Grioihin to raid.



Krziik the Mighty

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x205/Daldaen/Krziik_zpsbcb3e907.png

H is as static Hraqui living in the hut there
R is the roaming Regrua Sentry (sees invis) swimming through that tunnel along the red lines.

Total Trash needing pulled (NOTHING more needs pulled):
1 Hraqui (static)
1 Regrua Sentry (pather)


Bard 2 Role -


Get target on Krziik then move to the corner as seen in map
Tag with Harmony of Sound (may need to back up a bit and cast/cancel HoS so that you know exact point that is maximum distance)
ANNOUNCE to Bard1 that you have pulled with a hotkey.
Swim up the drop off and cast DA while swimming up the drop off, you should have DA around when you reach the Fish Lord or shortly after you pass him.
Turn and stop to see Krziik catch you
Fade


Bard 1 Role -


Get pretarget on Krziik
Once Bard2 hits their pull hotkey to alert you that Krziik has been pulled, wait 5 or so seconds, and then start spamming Boastful Bellow
When Boastful Bellow lands (it will stop giving you out of range messages!), IMMEDIATELY DA
Hit your own pull Hotkey so Bard2 knows to fade
Swim to camp



Plane of Fire:

Quavonis Firetail

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x205/Daldaen/Quavonis_zps322546d8.png

Bard Role -


Get Buffs - Dead Man Floating (or any levitate) + Protection of Seasons
Run along wall to ledge, and sing Psalm of Veeshan while you swim through lava tunnel (minimizes damage taken). -- Note -- The lava tunnel is U shaped, so you can't just AFK and swim straight, you have to adjust your vision so that you are swimming down/up
Pop out of tunnel, Drum on and Selos
Turn your back to Quavonis so that you are facing the entrance to the lava tunnel, back up so that you are about halfway between the outer wall / Quavonis island (middle of the lava moat)
Boastful Bellow tag Quavonis and IMMEDIATELY dive down into the lava tunnel.
Wait 15-18 SECONDS and then cast DA.
Pop out of tunnel on other side, and run over to the ledge as marked in map, turn around and check if Quavonis is following you. If he doesn't pop up in about 15-20 seconds you will want to fade and try again
When he does pop up, redo selos and invis with your Tiny Cloak of Darkest Night
Backpeddle so you always see him and hug the wall on your way back to the raid... he has a tendancy to get stuck and stop moving, if you move a little closer he will unstick, just don't move too close and die :).
At the "corner" before you get to the raid, check if you picked up any adds. If you did dispatch them with mez before bringing Quavonis to raid.


General Reparm + Arch Magus Yozanni

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x205/Daldaen/GeneralArchMagus_zps3e3c4d92.png

There are three spots marked here:


This is where you stand and cast your Eye of Zomm with Singing Steel Helm. You have to stand somewhat close to the stairs but not close enough to aggro the static mobs near the stairs. Once Eye is active and your vision has swapped, IMMEDIATELY "run" (EoZs are SLOOOOW) up the stairs on the 2nd floor go to the next set of stairs and go up til you pop out on the 3rd floor and immediately target General or AMY
Now that you have your target, back up to this point and tag the mob with Boastful Bellow or Harmony of Sound
Once a successful tag has occurred, move to this point and look SOUTH, you should see the wall against the castle, this is where the General or AMY will path out to chasing you. Wait until you see them, then you can run outside into Field 2.
Get out into the field and wait for General or AMY to show up. They WILL have adds, there is no way to get around that. The adds have small aggro radii however, so get them out away from the castle (and the raid) and fade. Wait for the adds to seperate a bit from the General or AMY and then tag -- usually you can fade and tag immediately due to them being seperated enough.



Blazzax, Babnoxis, Magmaton and Pyronis (Field 2 Named):

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x205/Daldaen/Field2_zps8c1a6b5c.png

The 4 minis have their own little pathing box. Babnoxis/Blazzax have a bit more lateral movement than my boxes show... but Magmaton stays on the north side and Pyronis the south.

The vast majority of the mobs in field2 DON'T see invis. Exceptions being named (raid and group), and large fire-horses. As such you should be invised any time you are pulling and utilizing Boastful Bellow to pull since it doesn't break your invis.

Each time you tag a mob, there is 0 reason to wait on its pathing to get in a better location, just find and tag. Once tagged run it to the south west corner of Field 2 (just above Castle L3 marking on map). Utilize this area to mez any adds you happen to pick up.

Mez will last 18 seconds once stuck (pesky resisters use HoS -> Mez). You can mez about 5-6 mobs pending resists before they start breaking. You generally should only need to land about 2 mezzes, fade, retag boss and bring him in single.

None of these Field2 pulls should take more than 2 minutes to do.

Mostly though I stressed the avoiding of unnecessary trash clearing. On Phinny this isn't as big of an issue since raids roll 72 deep compared to the 30-35 we pulled on Al'Kabor.

[Erati]

all the magic of learning is now gone-immersion ruined.

Thanks Dald

[Ella`Ella]

Firsts seems pretty pointless when there's many months to farm the expansion, agreed.

Are bonus XP weeks typical when an xpac comes out on TLPs or not really?

It's not going to be out that long. PoP will only be around for 3 months before the server starts moving into the bullshit expansions.

[arsenalpow]

Nah. It's PoP, 3 months, LDoN, 3 months, GoD/OoW.

So 6 months of PoP essentially.

[Daldaen]

I'll be playing through TBS for sure. Solteris had great raid content too.

Also I don't know if I mentioned it but basically all PoWater minis run faster than their trash counterparts and are snareable. Makes those splits super easy.

[Erati]

being the mega noob I am - why does LDoN for 3 months still equate to PoP

is it because it's just a bunch of instances that is added into existing zones?

[Daldaen]

being the mega noob I am - why does LDoN for 3 months still equate to PoP

is it because it's just a bunch of instances that is added into existing zones?

LDoN shouldn't be 3 months. LDoN and GoD should be merged. Still gonna forumquest hard for this to be a thing.

But LDoN is basically 5 themes of dungeons:

Butcherblock - Mistmoore themed with vampires
Everfrost - Permafrost themed with golems, ice goblins, dervish and holgresh
South Ro - LGuk themed with ghost frogloks
North Ro - Sand Elves and shit
Commonlands - Commonland Orc Dungeon themes with Rujarkian Orcs

Each adventure has four types. Slaughter (kill X mobs in 90min), Collect (loot X trash quest items in 90min), Assassinate (spawn a boss by killing X% of the zone then kill said boss in 90min), and Escort (Locate friendly NPC and then escort him to safety in 90 min). Almost everyone does Slaughter or Collect.

Each "theme" has 5 different dungeons, basically similar looks but different geographic layouts.

There's also a few raids but almost no one did them in era. I've only done a small handful myself for the Specialization Mod Augments and the Pet proc Augment.

[Ella`Ella]

Nah. It's PoP, 3 months, LDoN, 3 months, GoD/OoW.

So 6 months of PoP essentially.

Fair point with LDoN.

being the mega noob I am - why does LDoN for 3 months still equate to PoP

is it because it's just a bunch of instances that is added into existing zones?

The only thing LDoN really did was let you augment shit iirc. People ran those shitty instances for the aug gems but the real loot to be had was through farming Time.

[Erati]

ahh gotcha, what the hell are sand elves lol

[Daldaen]

http://zam.zamimg.com/images/i/d/id15284.png

That.

So LDoN raids have some good augments. The group ones are really weak though.

[Ella`Ella]

http://zam.zamimg.com/images/i/d/id15284.png

That.

So LDoN raids have some good augments. The group ones are really weak though.

The best ones were the Hate augments for threat, right? Warriors used to farm the shit out of those iirc.

[Daldaen]

The best ones were the Hate augments for threat, right? Warriors used to farm the shit out of those iirc.

Yes Anger III

http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=25400
http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=23782

The EF one was for scrubs cause Type 4. South Ro was for the ballers rocking PoTime weaponry cause Type 8.

There also was a Pet Focus Augment from one of the camps I think Commonlands or North Ro?

http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=23480

Yea North Ro.

Plus there were 30/35 AC Augments from raids. 15% Specialization Mod Augments (end up being around 2.5% mana preservation on your main Specialization due to the Augment). The Pet Proc Augment. Plus some Augments with Mod2s like Strikerthrough, Shielding, Spell Shielding, Stun Reists etc. Which are now very powerful due to the Heroic Stat revamp, even more so than they used to be.

Plus there's 1 class specific item per class from the raids. Druids get FoE Clicky boots. Bards get a HoS clicky bracer. I forget most of the other class items though.

[Ella`Ella]

As others have said LDoN has very little raid content so it will be essentially 6 months of PoP raiding. Most peoples favorite expansion so I don't think people will mind. Although 6 months is a long time. Some people got pretty bored of Velious and Luclin by the end of 3-4 months. But after 6 months of PoP its 3 months of GoD/OoW (Still hoping they unbundle those) but OoW is basically tied with PoP for my favorite expansion. Might even like it more than PoP. After OoW who knows. DoN and DoDH were both pretty fun. Demi Plane is a cool raid zone. I lost interest at PoR on Live.

I really liked Omens. I always felt that Omens is what Gates of Discord should have been - except gates sucked. Citadel of Anguish was by far the coolest raid zone and having to do the trials to get keyed was the only time I've ever had fun grinding out key parts.

It is basically 6 months of PoP, as really LDoN is just about marginal upgrades through augments for your PoP gear.

[Ella`Ella]

Nerdy side note: All lore after Velious sucked though.

[Erati]

is Ella on Phinny?

[Daldaen]

I really liked Omens. I always felt that Omens is what Gates of Discord should have been - except gates sucked. Citadel of Anguish was by far the coolest raid zone and having to do the trials to get keyed was the only time I've ever had fun grinding out key parts.

It is basically 6 months of PoP, as really LDoN is just about marginal upgrades through augments for your PoP gear.

Gates of Discord, in its refined state, it a great expansion. It just happened to be broken and overtuned in its original incarnation.

Ikkinz, Uqua, Inktuta, Txevu and Tacvi... I can't really think of a single event among them that I didn't like. The Yxtta puzzle to open Primal area was neat but the time delay in solving it made the whole raid sit around for half an hour, a la PoSky Island 4.

But the raid mechanics after they were rebalanced are mostly pretty awesome. I loved the Ikkinz killshot events requiring specific classes or archetypes get killshots on the mobs. Nothing like getting that Berserker killshot message and not even having a level 65 Berserker on the server yet.

Anguish... I liked some aspects. The mini Aug droppers were a great touch. Give a purpose to doing the zone with just 1-2 groups. But Anguish was way too easy even when current content outside of Jelvan and OMM.

Keldovan was and always has been broken. You aren't required to fight in all 4 pits, you just have to kill one pit 5 times. That was poor design. Basically a movable XtC with adds that decrease his resistance.

Ture was just a big AFK check. Can you back away during AE Ramp emote and can you cure mana drain? I could've sworn Wantons was blockable by standing in one of the Gelidran/Pyrilen prison cubbies but last time I did it on Quarm the AE went through walls.

Warden Hanvar was just an /AFK fight. Stupid HP locks waiting on adds to respawn.

Arch Magus was interesting with the DT DoT, I think that was the first time they ever implemented it? But if you had some people with Pure Blood or Blood of Nadox on your raid, it was a non-issue.

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Jelvan was an incredible encounter. I love when you're forced to split your raid up and communicate between them. It's a real test as everyone's contribution matters in those smaller groups. Plus due to the AEs present you actually had to think logically about which classes are best suited at each mob. IE don't place pure casters at the mana drain one. IE place beastlords there to counteract with Paragon

OMM was mostly about figuring out the mask mechanic. Once that was down you really only needed 2 competent enchanters, a few well geared tanks and some clerics/Druids to keep them up. Was always a very close Heal fight cause he absolutely plowed, especially if you screwed up one emote and didn't have a ranger or monk to beneficial dispel his god Buff he self cast after a failed emote.

[bigjerry]

Gates of Discord, in its refined state, it a great expansion. It just happened to be broken and overtuned in its original incarnation.

Ikkinz, Uqua, Inktuta, Txevu and Tacvi... I can't really think of a single event among them that I didn't like. The Yxtta puzzle to open Primal area was neat but the time delay in solving it made the whole raid sit around for half an hour, a la PoSky Island 4.

But the raid mechanics after they were rebalanced are mostly pretty awesome. I loved the Ikkinz killshot events requiring specific classes or archetypes get killshots on the mobs. Nothing like getting that Berserker killshot message and not even having a level 65 Berserker on the server yet.

Anguish... I liked some aspects. The mini Aug droppers were a great touch. Give a purpose to doing the zone with just 1-2 groups. But Anguish was way too easy even when current content outside of Jelvan and OMM.

Keldovan was and always has been broken. You aren't required to fight in all 4 pits, you just have to kill one pit 5 times. That was poor design. Basically a movable XtC with adds that decrease his resistance.

Ture was just a big AFK check. Can you back away during AE Ramp emote and can you cure mana drain? I could've sworn Wantons was blockable by standing in one of the Gelidran/Pyrilen prison cubbies but last time I did it on Quarm the AE went through walls.

Warden Hanvar was just an /AFK fight. Stupid HP locks waiting on adds to respawn.

Arch Magus was interesting with the DT DoT, I think that was the first time they ever implemented it? But if you had some people with Pure Blood or Blood of Nadox on your raid, it was a non-issue.

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Jelvan was an incredible encounter. I love when you're forced to split your raid up and communicate between them. It's a real test as everyone's contribution matters in those smaller groups. Plus due to the AEs present you actually had to think logically about which classes are best suited at each mob. IE don't place pure casters at the mana drain one. IE place beastlords there to counteract with Paragon

OMM was mostly about figuring out the mask mechanic. Once that was down you really only needed 2 competent enchanters, a few well geared tanks and some clerics/Druids to keep them up. Was always a very close Heal fight cause he absolutely plowed, especially if you screwed up one emote and didn't have a ranger or monk to beneficial dispel his god Buff he self cast after a failed emote.

incredibly gay post buddy

[Mistle]

what on earth will everybody do if they want to experience planes of power everquest but nothing beyond that???

Takp

It's not there yet though.

[Daldaen]

When I say Anguish was my favorite raid zone it wasn't necessarily cause it was the most difficult. I just really liked the zone. It just felt epic and when you down magus and OMM's wall lifts up. First time you see that its just fucking cool.

GoD was cool too. My only real nitpick with GoD is the same one I have with VT bosses. I feel like the devs got lazy with naming shit. In my head I imagine something like this happening:

"What should we call this zone?"
"I dunno man mash your keyboard and see what comes out"
"Inktuta"
"Yeah whatever fine"
Yea they sort of gave up naming this.

Though... I'm a big fan of one of the Cursecallers in Inkt'uta.

http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/npc.html?id=18067

For anyone who doesn't piece it together:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KFNcStdF_Ok

[pasi]

Daldaen hit on most of the stuff already. Although, I greatly call into question anyone who enjoyed Ikkinz 1, 2, 3. Ikkinz 1/2 were regularly a PUG's affair during GoD. Everybody had a Darkglint Blade in theirs bags and every warrior had a JoS. Ikkinz 3 was an abomination - run it once and never come back. I loved Gates, but the raid content prior to Uqua was total dog-shit. Qvic was awesome since you could 6-12 man M'shas.

In terms of LDoN, it marked the shift for the most desireable loot being Augs once they made it so augments weren't destroyed when you removed them. Initially you could grind LDoN for 40hp or 40 mana augments, but there wasn't really anything to do for mass augments until you could farm Anguish Minis or Ashengate for 90/90s. That is, excluding tanks who could easily farm up Flameshield Stones/Ore of Stone Strength/Shard of the Guardians.

LDoN Raids were intended to be designed around 3 difficult tiers: Vex Thal, Ele Planes, and Time level. The problem with these raids was that the difficulty out-of-whack despite this being the first expansions with tons of guilds beta testing. Guilds that one dayed PoTime were there to test the difficulty of VT raids. I'm not sure if thats the only reason, but either way, the end result was basically that VT LDoN raids were as difficult as PoTime. Who knows, maybe this was intentional given that PoTime was a loot pinata outside of Vallon Zek and Innoruuk.

These raids also had an insanely high trash to loot ratio which would make even PoAir and PoEarth Rings blush.

Overall, the RvR just wasn't worth it. The loot for the PoTime-level LDoN raids were on par with Phase 3 PoTime (or Elemental God) level. There were a couple of really great items such as the 35 AC shield augment, weapon damage augments, the 15% alteration augment, etc. There's also the cool as fuck augment that procs swarm pets. However, you weren't guaranteed these. Normally you would spend a couple of hours and get some shit like an HP regen, Attack, or Haste augment that nobody wanted. Maybe you would get a spell focus augment that an applicant wanted because they had yet to be drown in PoTime loot.

The only LDoN PoTime-level Raid that I remember most guilds at the time doing was the Valdoon (Mistmoore) one. It had an insane amount of trash, but it was only slightly more difficult than PoTime. I'd argue it was easier than the VT or Eleplane Ruj one.

Anyhow, there's a few items that will last you a dozen expansions that can be found in LDoN raids. My SK + Shaman at 80 (SoF) still used the 35AC and 15% specialize alteration augment. However, it's similar to playing the lottery in trying to obtain these items (and that's assuming your guild can actually even clear them). It's much better to just go back at 70/75 and do it.

I bolded weapon damage augments because it's insane how valuable these are. I came back to EQ at the end of TSS (75 level expansion). At the time, Anguish and Demi-Plane had already gone down to weekend PUG-level. Prophecy of Ro was ignored entirely. You know what was still being run when Ashengate and Frostcrypt were all dead? Fucking Tacvi. Tunat Weapon Augments last forever. The same can be said for BiC augments for casters (BiC augments slot into slot4s for Epic 2.0/2.5s).

Anyhow, all this talk of EQ is making me consider checking out Phinigel.

[Ella`Ella]

Yea they sort of gave up naming this.

Though... I'm a big fan of one of the Cursecallers in Inkt'uta.

http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/npc.html?id=18067

For anyone who doesn't piece it together:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KFNcStdF_Ok

Always thought that was the name of a table from Ikea.

[Daldaen]

You have no fucking life.


Also Daldaen has a 12 inch boner right now.

13***

[Daldaen]

Good call on the weapon augs though Pasi.

Frostcrypt/Ashengate had some as well. But yea for a DWing class you didn't really replace the Tunat one for awhile.

I love the depth of EQ itemization. Augments, Focus Effects, Mod2s, Clickies. So gooood. Velious on the other hand... FT/AoB that don't stack. Meh.

[pasi]

GoD separate from OoW... tough to say no.

Likely would roll something like War/Cleric/X which I assume the vast majority of people boxing are playing. I assume war/cler are the most played classes, but also still in demand. Going to try to recruit some dudes and maybe roll up on Monday.

[Papa]

everyone ITT considering phinny so hard rn

[Llodd]

I loved a lot of the raid scripts post velious, but what always let every single expansion down for me was the zone design of dungeons. There really werent any decent ones post Kunark imo - with LDoN being basically copy and paste and for an expansion that was dungeon centric it was ironicly moronic! as if the designers just didn't care anymore. Sure they put alot of efforts into raid mechanics - some of those GoD and OoW ones were really amazing to be a part of but we never ever again saw the likes of Old Seb or Guk or the Hole or Charasis or.... I could go on and on. The sheer amount of brilliant dungeons pre velious was staggeringly high compared to what came later. That always annoyed me about later expansions in EQ.

[pasi]

I think Riftseekers is right up there with Sebilis and Guk.
Dreadspire Keep was (imo) the pinnacle of EQ design.

[bigjerry]

Daldaen hit on most of the stuff already. Although, I greatly call into question anyone who enjoyed Ikkinz 1, 2, 3. Ikkinz 1/2 were regularly a PUG's affair during GoD. Everybody had a Darkglint Blade in theirs bags and every warrior had a JoS. Ikkinz 3 was an abomination - run it once and never come back. I loved Gates, but the raid content prior to Uqua was total dog-shit. Qvic was awesome since you could 6-12 man M'shas.

In terms of LDoN, it marked the shift for the most desireable loot being Augs once they made it so augments weren't destroyed when you removed them. Initially you could grind LDoN for 40hp or 40 mana augments, but there wasn't really anything to do for mass augments until you could farm Anguish Minis or Ashengate for 90/90s. That is, excluding tanks who could easily farm up Flameshield Stones/Ore of Stone Strength/Shard of the Guardians.

LDoN Raids were intended to be designed around 3 difficult tiers: Vex Thal, Ele Planes, and Time level. The problem with these raids was that the difficulty out-of-whack despite this being the first expansions with tons of guilds beta testing. Guilds that one dayed PoTime were there to test the difficulty of VT raids. I'm not sure if thats the only reason, but either way, the end result was basically that VT LDoN raids were as difficult as PoTime. Who knows, maybe this was intentional given that PoTime was a loot pinata outside of Vallon Zek and Innoruuk.

These raids also had an insanely high trash to loot ratio which would make even PoAir and PoEarth Rings blush.

Overall, the RvR just wasn't worth it. The loot for the PoTime-level LDoN raids were on par with Phase 3 PoTime (or Elemental God) level. There were a couple of really great items such as the 35 AC shield augment, weapon damage augments, the 15% alteration augment, etc. There's also the cool as fuck augment that procs swarm pets. However, you weren't guaranteed these. Normally you would spend a couple of hours and get some shit like an HP regen, Attack, or Haste augment that nobody wanted. Maybe you would get a spell focus augment that an applicant wanted because they had yet to be drown in PoTime loot.

The only LDoN PoTime-level Raid that I remember most guilds at the time doing was the Valdoon (Mistmoore) one. It had an insane amount of trash, but it was only slightly more difficult than PoTime. I'd argue it was easier than the VT or Eleplane Ruj one.

Anyhow, there's a few items that will last you a dozen expansions that can be found in LDoN raids. My SK + Shaman at 80 (SoF) still used the 35AC and 15% specialize alteration augment. However, it's similar to playing the lottery in trying to obtain these items (and that's assuming your guild can actually even clear them). It's much better to just go back at 70/75 and do it.

I bolded weapon damage augments because it's insane how valuable these are. I came back to EQ at the end of TSS (75 level expansion). At the time, Anguish and Demi-Plane had already gone down to weekend PUG-level. Prophecy of Ro was ignored entirely. You know what was still being run when Ashengate and Frostcrypt were all dead? Fucking Tacvi. Tunat Weapon Augments last forever. The same can be said for BiC augments for casters (BiC augments slot into slot4s for Epic 2.0/2.5s).

Anyhow, all this talk of EQ is making me consider checking out Phinigel.

wow dude

[Llodd]

Sure there was the odd exception. But that was basically it...the odd exception. Compared to pre velious, dungeon design was sorely lacking.

[Daldaen]

GoD separate from OoW... tough to say no.

Likely would roll something like War/Cleric/X which I assume the vast majority of people boxing are playing. I assume war/cler are the most played classes, but also still in demand. Going to try to recruit some dudes and maybe roll up on Monday.

If you roll on Phinigel be aware the true box code requires you have each box on a different PC. I believe nerds have some ways around this. Many use a program that broadcasts keystrokes to multiple machines I think? But you can't just box 3 toons on a single PC like other servers allow.

As far as class goes... tanks are typically pretty rare for group purposes. One thing you'll find on Phinny is people are very AFK in your run of the mill groups. I think most are playing on their live server or boxing another toon in another zone while they Group. So active tanks and active pullers are hard to come by.

But when it comes to raids, as you might imagine no one boxes a tank alt. Every tank is a main and their casters or DPS are Alts. Because gear on the tank is most valuable and all guilds prioritize main gear typically.

Definitely get some pals to level up with. If you get a full group to level with you are set. Will be 65 by LDoN launch no problem.

[Llodd]

And Dreadspire Keep wasn't really a dungeon in the same way Seb and Guk were. Loved going through that placee but it was a totally different dynamic as it was mainly a raid zone, not somewhere LFG's hung out hoping to score decent xp and some amazing loot.

[mr_jon3s]

As far as class goes... tanks are typically pretty rare for group purposes. One thing you'll find on Phinny is people are very AFK in your run of the mill groups. I think most are playing on their live server or boxing another toon in another zone while they Group. So active tanks and active pullers are hard to come by.

I play a 60 warrior on phinny and stick with guild groups 90% of the time. And the biggest reason is all those semi afk groups you get as a tank when you go pug. The amount of times you die as a tank because the healer will just ninja afk or half the dps just afks is insane in pug groups.

I am glad they decided to unbundle GoD/OoW. Both are great expansions but GoD at 70 would have been way to easy.

[pasi]

I mostly agree w/ you Llodd. I would argue that it has less to do with zone design than it does with rewards being droppable though. The most populated exp/group zones always were the ones with easy access and sell-able items. EQ stepped away from that model from Bastion of Thunder until Wall of Slaughter.

Anyhow questions for dudes playing:
Are spells era appropriate (i.e. you don't have access to LDoN or GoD spells at PoP)?
Furthermore, are they the right values for the era?
Is PoP going live with warriors having bellow/incite?
Are non-classic exp bonuses in (i.e larger group bonuses, AA bonuses, or hot zones)?

[nhdjoseywales]

I mostly agree w/ you Llodd. I would argue that it has less to do with zone design than it does with rewards being droppable though. The most populated exp/group zones always were the ones with easy access and sell-able items. EQ stepped away from that model from Bastion of Thunder until Wall of Slaughter.

Anyhow questions for dudes playing:
Are spells era appropriate (i.e. you don't have access to LDoN or GoD spells at PoP)?
Furthermore, are they the right values for the era?
Is PoP going live with warriors having bellow/incite?
Are non-classic exp bonuses in (i.e larger group bonuses, AA bonuses, or hot zones)?

yes, the vast majority of spells and aa are era appropriate

not sure, but i believe so

warriors have been given threat lines already. melee and caster dps is boosted a bit due to each having a line of autogranted aa's.

xp on phinny is nerfed hard compared to live currently. no aa bonuses currently, no hotzones.

bottom line man, even if its not exactly what you remember/think you remember, its fucking awesome and you will enjoy it

[arsenalpow]

I play a 60 warrior on phinny and stick with guild groups 90% of the time. And the biggest reason is all those semi afk groups you get as a tank when you go pug. The amount of times you die as a tank because the healer will just ninja afk or half the dps just afks is insane in pug groups.

I am glad they decided to unbundle GoD/OoW. Both are great expansions but GoD at 70 would have been way to easy.

Always guild groups imo too

[nhdjoseywales]

Biggest differences i would say are
1 tank taunt is a lot better than it used to be due to a relatively recent patch and the threat ability lines being in game
2 player dps is boosted a bit due to autogrant dps aa lines
3 origin aa is autogranted at lvl 5
4 bosses hit a lot harder and take a less damage than on live
5 new style bazaar instead of the lines of vendors
6 instances
7 ability to play fashionquest with store appearance augs
8 ability to play for free by using krono purchased with in game plat to pay for your subscription
9 nerfed xp
10 No other server can claim the sexiest halfling rogue ever to grace Norrath. Naudee Bynature. (well i guess there is my testcopy but thats more like my doppleganger)

[Valakut]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OZjwwWrvF8

i got guild kicked from bda for saying "*****" in guild chat

i got guild kicked from rustle for rustling getsome in this very thread


who yall got for the royal rumble? Finn Bálor $$$$ BELIEVE

[Phantasm]

You were kicked from BDA like 3 times Valakut

[AzzarTheGod]

I'm back n I'm ready to lay down these solid gold tracks.

Y'all ready to hear some hot lava flows

[getsome]

i got guild kicked from rustle for rustling getsome in this very thread

You got removed for screenshotting our member forums and posting it elsewhere.

I did not usually agree with your opinions but you were entitled to em and that never bothered me.

#valakut

[Swish]

pras Valakut - anything worth making a thread here about?

[Fasttimes]

Can make one about red server that would be different.

[mr_jon3s]

Is chest gonna race change into a froglok with LoY?

[khanable]

Frogs should only be paladins

[Daldaen]

AE Group in Phinigel right now, going great. Listening to some plug, hanging out with some pals. Great shit happening on Phinigel. Join now friends.

Or keep tracking 16-hour variance mobs if that's your jam, I won't judge but it seems like thats only 2~ guilds jam.

[khanable]

Was there some sort of expectation that live guilds wouldn't use seq/mq2? I thought daybreak doesn't actively try to curb that shit?

[arsenalpow]

Zero MQ in bda can confirm. We'd clear VT so much faster otherwise right?

[Bruno]

I mean, AoS housed one of the biggest pieces of trash on the server- Sachee. Might have been before you came over. I think he finally ended up getting perma banned after a suspension for exploiting and training. I started a thread about it and it got locked pretty quick since they sensor everything. Luckily I was able to collect enough videos and screenshots to send to some Daybreak GMs that didn't tolerate that shit.

[Speedi]

Was there some sort of expectation that live guilds wouldn't use seq/mq2? I thought daybreak doesn't actively try to curb that shit?

100% accurate.

Before I started playing p99 I played live, and that crap was everywhere. A good friend of mine still plays live and uses it. It's how he automates his box army.

To put it into perspective, more people use it than not.

[Bruno]

MQ isn't that big of an advantage on Phinny. It's so casual and instanced. The only people really getting benefit from it are taking down small fry mobs. AoS never really gave a shit about their reputation, so this isn't really going to affect them. It's some good drama, but it's not really going to make any difference. And the people selling kronos, SoDs, accounts, tears, and whatever else on redguides, congrats on a thousand bucks that took you half a year to earn? To us people with real jobs that's lolworthy.

[Baler]

Who is worse. bda or tmo?

[mr_jon3s]

AE Group in Phinigel right now, going great. Listening to some plug, hanging out with some pals. Great shit happening on Phinigel. Join now friends.

Or keep tracking 16-hour variance mobs if that's your jam, I won't judge but it seems like thats only 2~ guilds jam.

Love phinigel just logged on get to the raid meet up and spent 3 hours raiding. Didn't have to bust out a law book once.

[Phantasm]

100 more posts and you'll break the 1k post mark Troll

[arsenalpow]

Do my eyes deceive me or do I see Eshan with a <Resolute> guild tag and not a <Bregan D Aerth> guild tag? Another one bites the dust? Recent change or old news that I missed?

old as fk change

[arsenalpow]

201 spent
83 banked

[nhdjoseywales]

313 spent 120 banked.

[Daldaen]

Got like.. 110 spent and 25 banked.

Casual life friends. Casual life.

Looking forward to a new expansion launch. Gonna come home from work at a normal hour, maybe do a Justice trial, maybe do some PoStorms and then show up for a scheduled raid at the normal time and then end the night at a normal time and head to bed.

PoP for casuals is good.

[mr_jon3s]

200 spent 96 banked. And gonna grind to 65 have to be ready to tank this.

[raato]

0 spent, 0 banked :<

[arsenalpow]

Got like.. 110 spent and 25 banked.

Casual life friends. Casual life.

Looking forward to a new expansion launch. Gonna come home from work at a normal hour, maybe do a Justice trial, maybe do some PoStorms and then show up for a scheduled raid at the normal time and then end the night at a normal time and head to bed.

PoP for casuals is good.

To be fair I hit 200 a few weeks into Luclin and then stopped AAing all casual like. I got something like 40-50 from just raiding 3-4 nights a week.

[Erati]

I really wish I had discovered the magic of Deep AE groups for AA grinding before, but at least now I have semblance of AAs to use for PoP lol

its pretty great AEing more than 25 mobs, /mourn Chardok :(

[Daldaen]

I really wish I had discovered the magic of Deep AE groups for AA grinding before, but at least now I have semblance of AAs to use for PoP lol

its pretty great AEing more than 25 mobs, /mourn Chardok :(

It's done classic AE style though. You know, where mobs forget you if you get too far away. It's a lot more fun this way anyways.

Can easily undo the 25 hit limit nerf once they implement lazy aggro on P99.

[Daldaen]

I need someone to explain to me how to Shadowplay. I think PoStorms will make for some great material.

[khysanth]

http://i.imgur.com/IrQUcJn.jpg

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[Papa]

http://i.imgur.com/pXvKLUC.jpg

Sounds like someone in AoS got tired of their shit and is airing their dirty laundry. Wonder how long til Fatty shows up to defend them? Although this is pretty indefensible if they can provide proof. What a swell guild.

fatty quit playing nearly a year ago, you're like swish so misinformed with your frothing rage

wonder how long until someone in OGC leadership gets mad and decides to do the same :D kidding yourself if you dont think mr. leads-2-guilds isn't using these things

[Mead]

AoS is pretty shitty though.

I agree if we're comparing them to the top guilds on here. The raiding on there is child's play compared to what's happening on p99. If any of the top guilds moved over from here to there they would completely annihilate the open world competition. The level of neckbeard here is just too high.

[Daldaen]

Great EXP group yesterday. Like 32 AAs acquired. More than enough to get the bare necessities going into PoP launch.

[getsome]

If you not getting 25 AA per hour doing AE groups you doing it wrong.

[Relbaic]

If you're worried about how many AAs you have going in to an expansion that will last 6 months, you're doing it wrong.

[arsenalpow]

I can't group with my non AE class pals though

[Erati]

If you not getting 25 AA per hour doing AE groups you doing it wrong.

How would this be possible? Potions would be a factor and maybe larger more time consuming pulls?

[LostCause]

Our 2017 unlocks on Phinigel:

Planes of Power & Legacy of Ykesha – Weds, February 1, 2017
Lost Dungeons of Norrath – Weds, April 26, 2017
Gates of Discord – Weds, July 19, 2017
Omens of War – Weds, September 13, 2017
Dragons of Norrath – Weds, December 6, 2017


awww yea

[getsome]

50% exp bonus + 25% exp potion = 10-12 aa an hour AOE pulling all of West in 2 picks.

25 would be tough to swing


https://www.everquest.com/news/double-experience-january-2016

double exp along with a good potion and pick swaping between pulls

west is only a 3 minute pull with a few pullers.

[getsome]

Keep in mind 50% bonus is only active on holidays

nope, double exp right now.

[Pullyn]

https://www.everquest.com/news/double-experience-january-2016

double exp along with a good potion and pick swaping between pulls

west is only a 3 minute pull with a few pullers.

Nice troll m8. Did you check those dates?

[nicemace]

I wanted Seru pixels!

Very excited to do Seru offnight with 2 groups in PoP. I bet we can sell the BP loot rights for like 5-10 Kronos. Gonna be so gooood.

Also I was salty a main bard questioned my knowledge of EQ mechanics. He was wrong.

you can do it with 1 group in PoP

we 2 group it in luclin now.

[Daldaen]

you can do it with 1 group in PoP

we 2 group it in luclin now.

Well aware of this. But my typical offnight group of pals is 2 groups. We just happen to now be able to do it outside of raid times.

[Raev]

I agree if we're comparing them to the top guilds on here. The raiding on there is child's play compared to what's happening on p99. If any of the top guilds moved over from here to there they would completely annihilate the open world competition. The level of neckbeard here is just too high.

I don't understand why you think getting up at 3AM for a batphone or staring at a wall for hours before FTE races are some sort of amazing skills.

[Lojik]

Congrats guys. I knew you could make this the most replied thread on p99 forums. Got a long way to go in terms of views though, only #3!

[Mead]

I dont think those the skills he mean Raev. I think he talking about the racing (https://youtu.be/7p0Bc8hl1C0?t=20)

Yea, I never said anything about it being skillful. He made that assumption himself. We aren't shooting a bow and arrow here. I'm strictly talking about beating the competition. This guy is pretending like he doesn't know what I'm talking about, especially after playing on the biggest poopsocket neckbeard server that ever existed.

[arsenalpow]

700 pages yall

[Nibblewitz]

700 pages yall

^

[Mead]

7 hundy.

[thieros]

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/15/2e/7e/152e7e299a4d872c4987b83ef55a350a.gif

[entruil]

Gettin' pretty stagnate...
http://i.imgur.com/HjyRz1p.jpg

[kotton05]

Is this the game that has the login queue so long that all of their players come here and say how awesome it is to sit in queue?

They're just a notch above red couldn't deal with p99 so they jumped ship for their own server. I don't knock anyone but chest 😂

[Papa]

consider queuing

[arsenalpow]

Kelandi quit a few days after me and joined AoS?

Kelandi's work schedule changed so he couldn't make our raids anymore.

[Papa]

no he was tired of getting cucked and being in the 13th best guild

[kotton05]

Currently what kind of hp/ac are the raid gear tanks getting after farming luclin?

[arsenalpow]

no he was tired of getting cucked and being in the 13th best guild

15th. Fuck you.

[arsenalpow]

Currently what kind of hp/ac are the raid gear tanks getting after farming luclin?

I don't really know off the top of my head. If Lawdee, Grogblok, Hashtag, or Shefler are on the magelo list you can search them up, that's our top 4 warriors in no specific order.

[Ella`Ella]

Currently what kind of hp/ac are the raid gear tanks getting after farming luclin?

Think some tanks are sitting around 10k Hp. AC actually works on the phinny server to.

[arsenalpow]

Think some tanks are sitting around 10k Hp. AC actually works on the phinny server to.

Well that attack and AC number split is throwing people off now.

Now instead of having 1000ac (hypothetically) you'll have 500/500 (hypothetically) One number is mitigation and one number is evasion. Same thing for attack, one number is offense and the other is accuracy.

[Swish]

This thread wouldn't be as popular without me in it, people love to post how often I post in it etc.

Would be funny if it was locked but you'd upset that Kushie guy and he'd have to triple post his way to page 1000 in another thread lol

[Mead]

This thread wouldn't be as popular without me in it, people love to post how often I post in it etc.

Would be funny if it was locked but you'd upset that Kushie guy and he'd have to triple post his way to page 1000 in another thread lol

Lol. Kill yourself.

[nhdjoseywales]

Lol. Kill yourself.

most of us only see that fucktards posts thru quotes. its pretty sad no one has helped him with his mental issues yet

[nhdjoseywales]

Top tanks on Phinny roll 2k ac 6k hp unbuffed

[Mead]

most of us only see that fucktards posts thru quotes. its pretty sad no one has helped him with his mental issues yet

Haha sorry. I couldn't help it. Dude suffers from some serious delusions of grandeur. Not even sure professional help would do much.

[AzzarTheGod]

Operation ChestHorse has drawn to a close.

Our horses just weren't fast enough to catch up. Chest defiantly said in voice "if you guys sit on the computer for 4 hours, fuck you ill sit for 16. For every hour you guys put into trying to usurp my popularity, ill put 4x the hours in. You'll never become more popular than me."

The impossible dream is dead, a streamed BDA raid. His mount kicked sand in our collective faces, and that was all she wrote.


RIP skarlorn

[booter]

I'll stream some of our first PoP raid tomorrow

[booter]

testing:

https://www.twitch.tv/khysanth

[Phantasm]

You really are turning into Swish Troll. Stop before its too late

[booter]

we always become what we hate most

stream is working (https://www.twitch.tv/khysanth) tune in for some bad BDA PoP raid tomorrow afternoon

[AzzarTheGod]

A hero emerges. fingers crossed for audio.

[booter]

A hero emerges. fingers crossed for audio.

i wouldn't want to give away our PoP strategies to other guilds :rolleyes:

[Relbaic]

i wouldn't want to give away our PoP strategies to other guilds :rolleyes:

We're only doing PoJ and xp tomorrow, people gonna be disappointed!

[booter]

PoJ, PoN hedge, and PoI Behemoth maybe!

[AzzarTheGod]

PoN and Behemoth are interesting

[Phantasm]

I'll stop making fun of BDA when you stop fapping to Iksars

Deal?

how dare you

[mr_jon3s]

Just checked the bazaar. Bunch of OGC lined up in front of the PoK door.

[booter]

Aw I was lookin forward to seein u guys in PoStorms :(

Nah dawg, we ain't about that life, good luck in your quest for server first quarm

[Mistle]

Would suck to have died just before servers come down.

[Swish]

LOL @ all the people with HUNDREDS of corpses banked to try to rez to 65 immediately on PoP launch. Lots of AoS corpses I see. Shame that DBG is squashing your plan and made you waste all that time. Let the tears flow.

Is corpse banking allowed? (https://forums.daybreakgames.com/eq/index.php?threads/is-corpse-banking-allowed.238069/page-6#post-3501722)

Why would anyone care what another guild is doing on an instanced server with XP pots and other nasties? Is that what you call "com-pet-ition" there?

[raato]

WTB zlandi heart @ phinny - 1000pp

/t Raato ingame or just parcel it if you think you can trust me

[arsenalpow]

WTB zlandi heart @ phinny - 1000pp

/t Raato ingame or just parcel it if you think you can trust me

I have a hand of the reaper in the bank still if you want it and maybe some other nonsense.

[raato]

I have a hand of the reaper in the bank still if you want it and maybe some other nonsense.

I bought hand of the reaper with 5pp on first day, but let me know what other nonsense you got if there is anything useful for me

[arsenalpow]

I bought hand of the reaper with 5pp on first day, but let me know what other nonsense you got if there is anything useful for me

I'll keep an eye out

[Daldaen]

https://imgur.com/a/OiVEA

Gonna be a good day.

[Ravager]

Swish thinks it's outrageous that anyone would pay for an xp bonus and instances when he gets both for free on Red.

[Mead]

Swish thinks it's outrageous that anyone would pay for an xp bonus and instances when he gets both for free on Red.

#poorpeopleproblems

[nhdjoseywales]

Feels good. My petition was heard.

this made my morning, you have no clue how happy i am atm

[arsenalpow]

So how were they banking corpses past the 3 hour rez timer? What am I missing?

[mr_jon3s]

So how were they banking corpses past the 3 hour rez timer? What am I missing?

They would kill themselves a bunch. Go to the deep log out on the AE spot wait for the mobs to almost die and log back in get the exp and log back out.

[Daldaen]

So how were they banking corpses past the 3 hour rez timer? What am I missing?

Pull Deep AEs on their Alts, log in main every time a pull was about to die. Log back out all the way.

Corpse Rez timer doesn't expire unless the account is logged in. So over the course of say 12 hours they are logging in every 15 minutes for about 2 minutes to get exp and camp out.

I dunno exactly where they make all the corpses though. Would also have to make the corpses in advance and delevel a bit so that they aren't having to corpse midway through the group.

[arsenalpow]

Pull Deep AEs on their Alts, log in main every time a pull was about to die. Log back out all the way.

Corpse Rez timer doesn't expire unless the account is logged in. So over the course of say 12 hours they are logging in every 15 minutes for about 2 minutes to get exp and camp out.

I dunno exactly where they make all the corpses though. Would also have to make the corpses in advance and delevel a bit so that they aren't having to corpse midway through the group.

Oh so they ultra min maxed it.

[Swish]

what a shit show

[Raev]

I bought hand of the reaper with 5pp on first day, but let me know what other nonsense you got if there is anything useful for me

It's time to leave P99 to the poopsockers and super casual levelers IMO. Tons of alternatives: Phinny, P2002, TAKP, new Daybreak progression server X that will come out this summer . . . pick whichever floats your boat. And get to see content past Velious.

[kotton05]

It's time to leave P99 to the poopsockers and super casual levelers IMO. Tons of alternatives: Phinny, P2002, TAKP, new Daybreak progression server X that will come out this summer . . . pick whichever floats your boat. And get to see content past Velious.

Now now raev!

[khanable]

It's time to leave P99 to the poopsockers and super casual levelers IMO. Tons of alternatives: Phinny, P2002, TAKP, new Daybreak progression server X that will come out this summer . . . pick whichever floats your boat. And get to see content past Velious.

+1

Is there any actual word on a new official prog server or are you speculating?

They just need to make a POP locked server with phinny's rules to make up for eqmac and they'll have subs fo' lyf.

[Raev]

I've only heard rumors, but they would have to be morons not to launch a new progression server every two years. A lot of people will quit after PoP and some will want to play through again, and word will spread etc.

I don't think a PoP locked progression server is a good idea. I mean, how many times do you want to clear your PoTime instance? I think of the progression servers as an outlet for people who didn't clear everything they wanted to in original EQ. You can play 1-60/65/70/whatever expac you are interested in over a few years, and if you still aren't satisfied do it again. A time-locked server should be something more chill: hang around, level a few alts, relax. In other words, TAKP or Project 2002.

I am going to predict here that late in 2017 Project 1999's raid population takes a precipitous nosedive. P2002 and TAKP will release Luclin. Phinny will release a new progression server, and people will have a chance to get in on the ground floor rather than just before Velious like BDA. I'll be curious to see whether A/A are still poopsocking everything when everyone else leaves.

P.S. Merkk as a poopsocker P99 is for you, never leave

[kotton05]

+1

Is there any actual word on a new official prog server or are you speculating?

They just need to make a POP locked server with phinny's rules to make up for eqmac and they'll have subs fo' lyf.

Question. Dont most servers that have a rather fast timeline just die out?

[arsenalpow]

If they were going to lock the server at PoP they'd need to increase instance lockouts to once or twice a month instead of 6.5 days and stretch the expansion release dates.

[khanable]

I've only heard rumors, but they would have to be morons not to launch a new progression server every two years. A lot of people will quit after PoP and some will want to play through again, and word will spread etc.

I don't think a PoP locked progression server is a good idea. I mean, how many times do you want to clear your PoTime instance? I think of the progression servers as an outlet for people who didn't clear everything they wanted to in original EQ. You can play 1-60/65/70/whatever expac you are interested in over a few years, and if you still aren't satisfied do it again. A time-locked server should be something more chill: hang around, level a few alts, relax. In other words, TAKP or Project 2002.

I am going to predict here that late in 2017 Project 1999's raid population takes a precipitous nosedive. P2002 and TAKP will release Luclin. Phinny will release a new progression server, and people will have a chance to get in on the ground floor rather than just before Velious like BDA. I'll be curious to see whether A/A are still poopsocking everything when everyone else leaves.

P.S. Merkk as a poopsocker P99 is for you, never leave

All good points, but I think for every person that wants to play through and eventually quit at the boring content, there is another person that would love to not be rushed knowing content is stuck in time (this is the major reason I'm still on-off with p99 after 7 years) :P

Question. Dont most servers that have a rather fast timeline just die out?

I don't know anything about prog servers.. never played 'em. I just know fast unlocks steered me away because I don't like the idea of eventually having to stop because the content got gay. I'd feel forced to go hard to do everything while it was available.

[Daldaen]

+1

Is there any actual word on a new official prog server or are you speculating?

They just need to make a POP locked server with phinny's rules to make up for eqmac and they'll have subs fo' lyf.

Al'Kabor had longevity due to a few factors.


Older code base made the game just progress slower. DPS was lower, spells were less powerful, there were fewer AAs, the client forces slower playstyle due to how limiting it is.
Obscurity with a Mac client / PC Hack client lead to a very small population. Basically even the top guild was running with 30-35 mains during low times and 40-45 during high times. Doing events like Bertoxxulous, Rallos Zek, PoAir/Earth Rings, Coirnav, Rathe Council with only 40~ mains and 5 boxes is just not feasible.
No 85/15 backflag rule and the lack of checklist flags meant EVERY person who was flagged in Elemental Planes did their flags in order and was required to have every single one. Same with PoTime. Having to devote a few weeks out of every few months to doing an entire backflag cycle to flag 3-4 new recruits was a huge time sink.


Now... I would probably still play an EQLive POP locked server. But it wouldn't have the long lasting effect that Al'Kabor had.

When your spells do 25%~ more damage or heals due to updated spell values, when your Melee parse 25-50% more due to updated Melee tables, when you only need to do PoP flagging once or twice and then just do EP Gods to backflag for each EP by hailing the Essence at the end, or doing PoTime for the P3 backflag drops... there isn't much of a struggle to get into Time and stay there, and of course having 72 members on your raid makes all content trivial. It's not until they cut down raids to 54 man where the challenge in the raids is very substantial and the tiers of guilds show up by who can and who cannot beat the content.

Phinigel will beat PoTime within the week I suspect. I wouldn't be too surprised if some guild is in Elemental Planes in the next day or two. Would be similar on any time locked PoP server.

[Daldaen]

Question. Dont most servers that have a rather fast timeline just die out?

The servers usually lose some population in PoP and a lot more once the level 70-75 expansions are in. Once you're into the SoF/SoD expansions basically its two or three guilds and that's it.

Phinigel is unique in that it sort of allowed 20 guilds to raid from Classic through PoP when instanced raiding starts. No server before had this many active raid guilds doing the most recent content.

We may see a much larger population in GoD/OoW/DoN/DoD/PoR etc. because These people didn't cap out and run out of things to do early and weren't in the top one or two guilds that actually did shit.

I don't honestly expect a massive hemorrhage of players after PoP. It'll be around PoR time when people start leaving I think.

[Llodd]

I would prob have a go at it if they didnt release the expacs so bloody fast.

1 expac yearly or even every two years would be awesome.

[Metalopolis]

I'll be curious to see whether A/A are still poopsocking everything when everyone else leaves.


Prolly not. Gotta remember that, for them, it's not just about gearing/progressing their toons. Equally important to many of them is denying gear/progression of others. The so called "exclusivity" of it.

[Raev]

I think Al'Kabor type servers are more for people who don't mind a slower pace and are curious to level an alt army. I imagine TAKP converging to a ~5 guild rotation of mostly single boxes (currently 2 and about to jump to 3, and people 2-3 box a lot).

I really think CSG should just switch en masse to TAKP. The server staff are committed to rotations vs 'competition'. You can level up really easily with the XP bonus (which should be fixed IMO). The 1 year per expansion and PoP lock seems to match their more relaxed playstyle more than the Phinny 3 months per expansion firehose.

I'm also going to predict here that the next progression server has more classic mechanics. From what I hear Daybreak is doing more and more to try to make their progression servers more accurate. And remember: Daybreak released Phinny just as Project 1999 was releasing Velious. I had no idea that people were still going to be socking P99 hard a year after Velious launched, and I'm guessing a lot of others didn't either. If a new progression server launches this summer, and you are FoH/Venerate, why not switch?

[khysanth]

http://i.imgur.com/IrQUcJn.jpg

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[Murri]

Al'Kabor had longevity due to a few factors.


Older code base made the game just progress slower. DPS was lower, spells were less powerful, there were fewer AAs, the client forces slower playstyle due to how limiting it is.
Obscurity with a Mac client / PC Hack client lead to a very small population. Basically even the top guild was running with 30-35 mains during low times and 40-45 during high times. Doing events like Bertoxxulous, Rallos Zek, PoAir/Earth Rings, Coirnav, Rathe Council with only 40~ mains and 5 boxes is just not feasible.
No 85/15 backflag rule and the lack of checklist flags meant EVERY person who was flagged in Elemental Planes did their flags in order and was required to have every single one. Same with PoTime. Having to devote a few weeks out of every few months to doing an entire backflag cycle to flag 3-4 new recruits was a huge time sink.


Now... I would probably still play an EQLive POP locked server. But it wouldn't have the long lasting effect that Al'Kabor had.

When your spells do 25%~ more damage or heals due to updated spell values, when your Melee parse 25-50% more due to updated Melee tables, when you only need to do PoP flagging once or twice and then just do EP Gods to backflag for each EP by hailing the Essence at the end, or doing PoTime for the P3 backflag drops... there isn't much of a struggle to get into Time and stay there, and of course having 72 members on your raid makes all content trivial. It's not until they cut down raids to 54 man where the challenge in the raids is very substantial and the tiers of guilds show up by who can and who cannot beat the content.

Phinigel will beat PoTime within the week I suspect. I wouldn't be too surprised if some guild is in Elemental Planes in the next day or two. Would be similar on any time locked PoP server.

Also when the revamped plane of mischief certain people who lived in that zone were pissed. Mac server had the pre revamp version forever.

[Daldaen]

Eh yea.. mischief had a very small subset of weirdos who lived there though.

[Llodd]

They released xpacs at 2 a year until the late 2000s. We are at 1 every 3 months here which keeps it fresh. Or you could play on p99 and play Kunark for 5 years.

I know. Thought that was too fast back then also ;)

1 every 3 months is off putting for casual scum.

[Papa]

there's nothing that says you have to be in a guild that is doing the most current content on phinny.

find a group of people you like and go at your own pace /shrug

that said, suggesting even slower xpac releases is crazy. even for guilds who don't race to be the first to beat the xpac, it gets boring toward the end.

[Llodd]

Ofc not. But I like the advantages doing the same content as others provides.

[Daldaen]

There can only be one. PoP gonna be good.

[Pokesan]

we've got to fight the terrorists

[arsenalpow]

There can only be one.

Nah. Instancing.

[Papa]

your body could use some work if figuratively cringing is causing you figurative hernias

hth

[Papa]

melon mask and other "forum personalities" so triggered they are trying to spam this off the front page lol

[Papa]

excuse me, ill have you know im a beautiful brell-worshipping barrel-rolling cleric who doesn't believe in forum raids

[Goat]

Shout out to P99, with out you I probably wouldn't be enjoying Phinigel so much. WUUUUUU PLANES OF POWER!!!!!

[Mead]

Enjoy those bans boys.

[bigjerry]

wuddup

[khanable]

spyder was a fire giant anyway

wu`tang was a dumb surname too

[Ella`Ella]

Nah. Instancing.

Chest, wanna duo with my Enchanter tonight in the planes? I'm like 2-3kills from 61, then I'm good to go.

[Papa]

thread shrank 3 pages from the bans!

[arsenalpow]

Chest, wanna duo with my Enchanter tonight in the planes? I'm like 2-3kills from 61, then I'm good to go.

No. I have a group lined up and and trials to complete. Also fuck you.

[arsenalpow]

thread shrank 3 pages from the bans!

Wow, all existence of Kushie has been erased. It's like he was never here.

[Raev]

Kushie was a fire giant anyway

but curse you staff for making my thread shorter

[Mead]

Maskedmelon got caught up in the wrong crowd. Dude went full retard with those other idiots.

[burkemi5]

Doesn't really matter if/ when the TLPs die. If you had fun on them, got some pixels, met some elf friends, you win. No one gives a fuck when it dies off, except those hardcoar autists out there who only see the negatives in things.

[Papa]

grand total of USD i have spent enjoying Phinigel since Kunark: $14.99

ez krono ez life

[booter]

I'll start streaming around 5pm EST today (when PoP launches). Will probably be a PoJ trial!

http://www.twitch.tv/khysanth

[booter]

Stream is up:

https://www.twitch.tv/khysanth

Currently staring at the PoK door in Bazaar with half the server

[booter]

PoP opens in 15 mins

https://www.twitch.tv/khysanth

[Bruno]

http://i.imgur.com/EaAr2a8.jpg

The moment we've all been waiting for. Here we go gents.

[AzzarTheGod]

http://i.imgur.com/EaAr2a8.jpg

The moment we've all been waiting for. Here we go gents.

Them feels. Luclin very "meh" in comparison. PoP was the true golden age of raiding.

[arsenalpow]

got my justice and hedge flags, currently being crushed by lag though :/

[Swish]

Sounds like kronos well spent, glad you're having fun

[Daldaen]

Hardest encounter so far: Zonelines

[nhdjoseywales]

yup

[Bruno]

Lag clearing up. Back in business.

[AzzarTheGod]

They said they weren't deleting them dummy

b nice to jcr he's been thru a lot

[Bruno]

b nice to jcr he's been thru a lot

He really goes hard for the team he plays on ^ ^. The nice thing about instance raiding is not giving two flying fucks what anyone else is doing. We got everything done we wanted to the first night. It was a success. Pretty excited to do some PoP exping tomorrow.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

It was a success. Pretty excited.

Yeah, i remember the first time I went to Chuck E Cheese, too.

[Phantasm]

who cares? get good scrub

[Swish]

Lol AoS has like 15 lvl 65's from corpse banking. Guess they failed to delete all the corpses. Yay cheating.

Focus on your own instances, stop watching what everyone else is doing ^^

[Daldaen]

Other than the lag cluster in Plane of Tranquility and the server resets, was a pretty good night for us casuals.

Got all the tier 1 planes done and one of the tier 2. Having half your guild lose a flag due to a rollback sucks though.

[arsenalpow]

Other than the lag cluster in Plane of Tranquility and the server resets, was a pretty good night for us casuals.

Got all the tier 1 planes done and one of the tier 2. Having half your guild lose a flag due to a rollback sucks though.

We're going to shoot for disease, innovation, and AD tonight. Hopefully the lag doesn't mail us.

[khanable]

Are you guys using frog illusions or did you pay to swap races (is that a thing?)

[Daldaen]

Are you guys using frog illusions or did you pay to swap races (is that a thing?)

He race swapped probably. That is a thing yes. You have to pay $$ to race change though.

[Daldaen]

Server crash ate one of our flags too :/ Such bullshit that they haven't figured out a way to prevent that.

Really though... there is no reason they should've put all of the AoCs in Plane of Tranquility.

They should've put them all just inside their respective zones. There will be enough AFKing in Plane of Tranquility as is. We don't need 5 guilds x 72 players forming up in the same zone then all trying to zone out.

[khanable]

lame

[Daldaen]

lame

Was funny when they released it the number of tanks who race changed to Iksar to pad their Magelo AC stat. Nerds.

[Daldaen]

Real question is what hour in the night did OGC and AoS stop raiding?

[Daldaen]

I can't answer that question til we stop raiding. Probably when you see a serverwide Quarm message.

Lol fucking nerds.

[Raev]

I'd like to get this thread back on track and bashing BDA. I saw Troll said earlier than he expects Quarm down within a week. How long will it take BDA to do the same?

2 weeks (1 week to get past Storms, but otherwise equivalent to OGC/AOS)
3 weeks (1 week to get past Storms, doing the rest a bit more leisurely)
4 weeks (the minimum I'd say to be considered competent)
Never (BDA can't beat The Rathe Council or whatever other encounter)

[Erati]

Plane of Tranquility needs to function normally before we can put BDA on the stopwatch IMO

[arsenalpow]

I'd like to get this thread back on track and bashing BDA. I saw Troll said earlier than he expects Quarm down within a week. How long will it take BDA to do the same?

2 weeks (1 week to get past Storms, but otherwise equivalent to OGC/AOS)
3 weeks (1 week to get past Storms, doing the rest a bit more leisurely)
4 weeks (the minimum I'd say to be considered competent)
Never (BDA can't beat The Rathe Council or whatever other encounter)


I don't know the flagging requirements that well so I can't give you a timeline.

[pasi]

Booted up.

Got to level 2 prior to realizing there's so many other things I'd rather be doing than leveling in EQ again for the 100th time. Especially since exp is awful outside of groups.

More interested in doing GoD + DoDH, so I'll probably just wait for a mass exodus in PoP and buy an account or two on the cheap. Maybe will check out the summer progression server if its got a similar rule set.

[Daldaen]

Plane of Tranquility needs to function normally before we can put BDA on the stopwatch IMO

Yea I think server stability will be the prime delay in the first week.

BDA will likely be into EPs within 3-4 weeks time, just a matter of how many storm picks are up.

[Phantasm]

don't forget to change your socks

[Relbaic]

I don't wanna say never. But definitely more than 4 weeks for a Quarm kill imo.

We also don't really care when we kill it. It's strange how you still obsess over when we do/don't kill shit. Not healthy.

Neither is playing a game for 21 out of 24 hours, but I guess you're ok doing that so none of this will even register with you.

[Papa]

I can't answer that question til we stop raiding. Probably when you see a serverwide Quarm message.

yikes

[Relbaic]

Oh I'm sorry, what was inaccurate?

[Bruno]

Every person in that pic is a loser

You spared me. I appreciate that.

[Papa]

Oh I'm sorry, what was inaccurate?

he cant stray from his swish approved talking points :D

[Relbaic]

Typical BDA response when someone calls them out for being bad they just immediately start with the "We don't care about being good we're just casuals blablabla" meanwhile they raid more nights/hours a week than one of the top 2 most hardcore guilds on the server. I wouldn't say I "obsess over what you do/don't kill" I just get enjoyment out of trolling and stirring the pot. I also think BDA leadership is full of a lot of shit and I like to call them on it. Unlike Swish I actually have up close and personal experience to back my claims.

Agreed playing a game 21/24 hours in a day probably isn't healthy. But it's not a regular thing so I'm not too worried about it. Binging isn't the worst thing on special occasions. I literally can't remember the last time I pulled an "all nighter" prior to the past 24 hours. It's probably been 10+ years since I last did so.

But you're confusing bad with not rushing to do anything in this game.

I also don't think raiding 10 hours a week for the last 2 months of Luclin is a lot, but what do I know, I'm just a stupid officer.

[nhdjoseywales]

I am amazed at AOS's ability to play the victim when they get beat in a dps race

[booter]

Typical BDA response when someone calls them out for being bad they just immediately start with the "We don't care about being good we're just casuals blablabla

I mean, you played 21 of the last 24 hours and that's the expected culture of your guild. BDA is nothing like that. We literally don't care how fast anyone else kills shit. We aren't trying to beat anyone.

I wouldn't say I "obsess over what you do

kek

IDK it just seems like it's hard for you to understand that not everyone approaches the game like you do. It's incredulous to you that we aren't min/maxing every detail of the game. It's clear you weren't a good fit for BDA, it's not the type of guild you want.

[booter]

And yea for the majority of Luclin we were raiding Ssra on Monday, Seru/Khati Tuesday, and VT on Wednesday. Thursday was random/optional shit (no attendance). You guys have random stuff going on every day though since you have such a deep roster.

[Bruno]

http://i.imgur.com/xO9V9Av.png

[AzzarTheGod]

http://i.imgur.com/xO9V9Av.png

Red99 in a nutshell

[nicemace]

had our first raid night tonight. in 4 hours we did

xanamech
behemoth
aerin`dar
HoH trials
mithaniel
grummus
carprin splits
vallon
tallon

was fun night!

[nicemace]

and we are casual as fuck.